Date: November 12th, 2026 1:20 PM Author: Richard Ames
Imagine for a moment if JD Vance did not look like a doofus, but instead looked like a young Scott Brown. She wouldn't be scolding him, she'd be begging for his seed.
Date: November 12th, 2026 1:22 PM Author: hotsauce
i'm with vance on this one. she's not addressing the salient point, which is that illegals abuse the ER loophole to get "free healthcare" the rest of us have to pay for.
if physicians like this broad want to treat every single person who comes in through the door, that's great, they can do it on their own dime
Date: November 12th, 2026 1:52 PM Author: Fucking Fuckface
Exactly. Who gives a fuck. It's not ok for someone to steal $10 from someone else, regardless of whether it is a material amount or a rounding error for the target
Date: November 12th, 2026 3:37 PM Author: Fucking Fuckface
This goes right back to you. It's total horseshit to do weak strawman bullshit like "spend $50k to cost yourself a million" and then patronizingly complain to others about retard schtick
Costs aren't the only driver here, but it seems obvious that the ongoing medical costs burdening the system dwarf the one time legislative costs and ongoing enforcement costs of fixing them by multiple orders of magnitude
Beyond that, there are tremendous social costs incurred by allowing preferential treatment for what by all rights should be a group of people with standing that is somewhere between rats and cockroaches on the level of welcome that society should show them. This is actually a substantial reason for why Trump was elected to a second term and all of the attendant costs and harms associated with it are second order effects of the shit you're mindlessly trumpeting ITT
There are also rampant social costs for turning a blind eye to rampant criminality. A just and functioning society removes bad laws from the books; it doesn't enable a swinging pendulum of enforcement, non-enforcement, and selective enforcement as our immigration policies do
And then there are still tremendous socioeconomic costs by depressing wages for people here legally. It's unclear whether the higher wages would offset the higher costs that would result from not having an immigrant slave class anchored here through preferential treatment, but it is clear and undeniable that them being anchored here affects the value of labor
And on and on this could go, and you know it could, but you'd rather alternate between drooling retard and condescending intellectual to suit vapid and pointless posts
One of the things that distinguishes a 90-IQ person from a 110+ IQ person is the ability to distinguish between minor problems and major problems.
For example, the DOD spending $15M on developing plans for the gold-plated Trump Class battleship is a minor problem compared to the $2B/month for the Iran conflict.
You might say that the gold battleship is far stupider, but if are goal is to save money, we would want to focus on the bigger wastes of money first.
Date: November 12th, 2026 2:23 PM Author: hotsauce
Healthcare for illegal aliens amounts to maybe 0.5% of total expenditure. You're right that that seems like an insignificant fraction. You're wrong that "saving money" is the principle raising our ire.
The broader issue is the American people being squeezed and exploited, both in the form of financial parasites above them, extracting their wealth through usury and regulatory capture; and foreign scab labor beneath them, dragging down their wages and standards of living.
But the problem is worse than mere class warfare targeting the middle. It is the erosion of culture and the loss of a homeland.
Date: November 12th, 2026 2:30 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe
"foreign scab labor beneath them, dragging down their wages and standards of living."
I don't see the evidence of this. Mass deportations and net negative migration since trump took office and we've actually seen real median wages decline and the cost of housing continue its rise. Economists have long argued (with evidence) that the anti-immigration position was largely a lumpen labor fallacy and I think our experiment with Trumponomics has pretty much confirmed their position.
The problem is at the top and regular white folk need to stop falling for the "blame PoC" schtick that the GOP runs to stall reform.
Date: November 12th, 2026 3:16 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe
h1-b employment is a complete drop in the bucket. What is it, about 0.5% of the labor market? C'mon man. How long are you guys going to focus on this bs. Get with the rainbow coalition and fight the oligarchs.
Date: November 12th, 2026 1:52 PM Author: gibberish (?)
Non covered care is around $10 bil a year at the low end. That beyond ER care, but beds and follow up. A lot of states have refused or disputed the numbers. It's probably higher. Healthcare is over a trillion dollars in the US. Overall CBO says immigrants add about $900 billion to gdp. Not a great number when you factor in education, criminal justice and just having to fund ICE. But they're your gardner/maid and we can't have you paying taxes on them!
You're among the smarter Trumpmos here, so I'm sure you appreciate the distinction between "non-covered care" and "treatment of illegal aliens," right?
Date: November 12th, 2026 3:04 PM Author: Richard Ames
At some point I would like to hear your actual positive vision as opposed to your usual Captain Save-a-Lib routine. From reading your poasts long enough, it seems that you don't really have much of a belief system beyond "guys who cares, this isn't a big issue (for me) and you should focus on something else (that I also disagree with btw because I'm thuper smart)."
Date: November 12th, 2026 2:01 PM Author: hotsauce
americans require higher wages because they are reamed by taxes, insurance, debt & various fees
when illegals don't have to register with the DMV, or pay for car insurance, health insurance, etc., like the rest of us, then it amounts to a public subsidy of their labor
Date: November 12th, 2026 2:21 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe
True in the sense that Vance is trying to make a cost-benefit argument and not calling for the repeal of EMTALA. The real problem with Vance's argument is that emergency healthcare costs from illegals are an absolute drop in the bucket. Deport all of them and prices wouldn't budge. Healthcare spending is all old-people care, particularly end-of-life care. And there are clear economic benefits to immigration.
there's a pure feudal capitalist case for treating illegals: if we don't, they won't be healthy enough to pick our vegetables, butcher our pigs and chickens and break them down, clean our homes, take care of kids and old folks, build cheap homes, and ultimately give us the rising stock market and cheap goods we, as citizens, deserve.
Date: November 12th, 2026 1:54 PM Author: Fucking Fuckface
Fuck that. Send their corpses back stacked like cord wood if that's how we find 'em. But send them back either way. The countries driving this shit need to bear costs and pain, or it will never end
lol, who is DRIVING this immigration? a market doesn't function without supply and demand. who is DEMANDING these illegals? home building CEOs and agriculture CEOs and meat packing CEOs. these rich doods are covertly waving millions of illegals in and profiting from it while poor white trash sputter and get mad.
why do kikefag miller and his ilk only focus on the supply side, then? the truth is that they don't care about poor white trash being displaced and having their livelihoods taken away. they only use illegals and their cheap labor as a cudgel to get votes from dumb whites.
30 arrests change the complexion of the immigration debate entirely:
- 5 agriculture CEOs
- 5 home building CEOs
- 5 meat packing CEOs
- 5 ranching CEOs
- 5 hollywood stars using illegal household labor
- 5 greenwich/miami hedge fund guys using illegal household labor
you cut across geographic and political divides to send the message that hiring illegals won't be tolerated. you put them in "pound-you-in-the-ass" prison. the next day, we'll see companies advocating for legal guest worker programs and training domestic workers. yes, we'll pay more for some goods