one of the only principled and effective politicians

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255209)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255226)

Nick's years in the wilderness make it difficult for him to align with anyone/anything, and some of it is just comical, like being anti-Massie

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255583)

But you people are really in denial that we're all going to just cut the crap and never impose our will around the world for our benefit. You're nuts. The Iran War was stupid as hell. Venezuela was 180. Cuba would have been nice. Let's clear our orbit. Progressives were apoplectic about Venezuela. Max Blumenthal's tankie wife was in tears that we overthrew their beautiful Commie project down there that immiserated millions of people. Absolutely devastating!

You're really behind the times if you don't foresee that groyper is the future of conservative politics. I can tell a lot of you ITT are smoking the ganj. The dark horse candidate will rise in 2028. It's all happening despite gunneratttt's futile protestations.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255821)

Those who see value only through the fist are as bad and cartoonish as people who think the only response to aggression is to turn the other cheek. They just delude themselves because it excites them to punch others, never realizing counter punches will land

I didn't realize I was making a prediction for future nominees ITT. Please, conjure up some more fever dreams to lecture me about

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255856)

decisive hard power when actually threatened

decisive hard power when actually threatened

decisive hard power when actually threatened

decisive hard power when actually threatened

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255962)

Nick said Trump sucks don't vote for him two years before the Iran War. He was onto something. For now we see through a glass, darkly...

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255943)

You ask yourself "can we do it" and think competent analysis ends there. The better approach is to try to figure out whether doing it is beneficial and what the knock on effects might be

Worse, you have over 3 decades of middle eastern wars to use as data points, with which to better anticipate second order effects, but you're too dim to try

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255914)

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Date: November 13th, 2026 10:43 AM

Author: Historical American

...I thought initially if it could be done quickly and effectively it would be worth it...

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(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255963)

For control, I think about it two ways. #1, when you are strongly reactionary to certain things, you can be manipulated by inducing those reactions. This is soft control, and I would expect that it's exercised somewhat effectively with him

#2, there is overt control, and for that, my mind goes back to Jesse Ventura's claims that when he won the governorship as an independent, that he was sat down ostensibly by domestic intelligence to find out how to keep that from happening in the future and to make him afraid

I don't think shadowy cabals are dragging every popular influencer to dark basements to interrogate them, but if shit like that happens with governors, it's not something I can fully discount when it comes to people in positions to unify groups that are usually hard to unify

Ventura link if interested: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2008/01/03/jessecia

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255617)

Always reminds me of the BAP book section on "imagine a man who looked like Mitt Romney, but who behaved as such."

Would require an unbelievably charismatic leader, TBH. IMO Trump moved us in this direction. But he's too old and doesn't have the real juice to be this kind of leader.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255882)

The real problem is the racial and social component. How do we get around Latino voting bloques etc. That's much harder. But Nick has already won the right for the foreseeable future and everyone knows it. A lot of people are saying this. Amazing that Millennial chuds ITT are stanning for Thomas Massie ljl. The future is Nationalist and unapologetic. But we have to bring race into it one way or another.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255918)

Latinos can be won over. You ever actually spend time with Latinos? And just look at South America.

TBH I think a lot of the white nationalist stuff is just DOA and has been for a while. Doesn't mean we want America to be overrun with Muslims and Haitians...but Mexican bros are actually more chill and their bad behavior can be policed out.

Bigger divide politically is really men vs. women. The libs are so insanely female-coded, it's almost beyond belief. And let's be real, women are crying out for strong men to push back on their stupid bullshit with force.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255928)

TBH the deeper issue that would solve a LOT of this would be ending the Fed and going back to the gold standard. But that's probably as much of a jerkoff fantasy at this point as banning Latinos from voting.

I am prob also influenced by the fact that I've gotten to know more Latino bros over the years and often think "uhh wait, I have more in common with them from a values standpoint than literally millions of white libs." Even if I typically work in a different stratosphere, it's like who cares. They aren't about to send me some bullshit email leading with "I hope this finds you well" or some gay BS.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255974)

People who think naked force is a broad pathway to success have a tendency to grossly overestimate the force they can actually wield on a sustained basis. It's a short term play with short term vision, and the end is ignominious and brutal

I'd rather play the long game of sustained success and primacy. For that, soft power wins as long as it is coupled with brutal and decisive hard power when actually threatened

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255936)

If you genuinely believe "I don't like you" equals "you're an actual threat," then you correctly diagnosed yourself as a neocon ITT and should probably just leave it at that

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5922059&forum_id=2#50255990)