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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:23 PM Author: Bossy Institution http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/article_iii_clerks
There is no fucking way that 8.2% of the graduates of the Class of 2008 have Article III federal clerkships. That means Class of 2008, not clerking at some point after 2008. That means Article III, which does not include magistrate judge clerkships or bankruptcy clerkships. And you should not fucking include "staff law clerks," because they're not clerking for a fucking judge.
Let's do this empirically.
WUSTL graduates around 270 a year. So let's try to count the 22 Class of 2008 graduates who have Article III federal judicial clerkships.
http://law.wustl.edu/career_services/documents/judicialclerkshiphandbook.pdf
Yes, your security is so fucking shitty that you publicly disclose your entire private directory of clerks. But that's not the point at the moment.
Here are the Class of 2008 graduates who went on to clerk for Article III federal judges in 2008-2009:
Prado (3d), Cook (6th), Kethledge (6th), Benton (8th), Murphy (10th), Gonzales (SDCal), Lamberth (DDC), Quist (WDMich), Perry (EDMo), Katz (NDOhio), McCalla (WDTenn), Solis (NDTex)
That's 12.
(And let's not even discuss how hilariously awful it is that a school purportedly ranked 19th in the country lands fucking five people in the COA, and can only put ONE in the 8th Circuit, when Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Creighton, South Dakota, and every other rancid festering fly-over law school out places you.)
By my math, that's 4.4%, not 8.5%.
Oh, but wait, if you're a lying sack of shit, we can fudge the numbers and add in:
Staff (2d), Cook (6th for '10-'11), Burrell (EDCal for '09-'10), Altonga (SDFla for '09-'10), Black (DNM '09-'10), Kahn (NDNY for '09-'10), Fulton (Magistrate WDKy), Miller (Federal Claims)
So that's 20, if you count staff clerks, magistrate clerks, Article I clerks, and future clerks.
And even there, we're at 7.4%.
So shut the FUCK you, you embarrassing lying sacks of shit at Washington University School of Law in St. Louis.
And please, AutoAdmit, bump this fucking thread for eternity, until Bob Morse is shamed into noting the discrepancy, David Lat is moved to link to this thread, and the Dean capitulates to the "chatblogs." |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 11:00 PM Author: nudist chestnut rigpig factory reset button You emailed Lat / ATL, right? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14926089) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:40 AM Author: aqua gaping tattoo Well? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929631) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:02 AM Author: Spectacular library http://dothewustl.ytmnd.com/
and the remix... http://dothewustl-remix.ytmnd.com/ |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:14 PM Author: indigo vivacious property Subject: These Numbers Just talked to Dean Spivey today (the CSO at WUSTL) about these numbers, and he indicated that the handbook you are referencing is outdated and from their old website. He also indicated that this year's class was sort of an aberration (a huge jump from last year's class) and said it will be difficult to predict what will happen next year. He said they had a lot of very solid candidates for clerkships this year, and hence the jump in numbers.
I'm not saying the numbers are perfect and I'm not trying to defend WUSTL or anything, I just wanted to point out that the numbers you are using are wrong (according to their career services dean). That handbook is not their "Official List of Wash U Clerks for the c/o 2008." It is just a guide to clerkships in general, and there are people with clerkships not listed in there. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:18 PM Author: Bossy Institution So, you're saying that the "JUDICIAL CLERKSHIP HANDBOOK 2010" is out of date? PERFECTLY LOGICAL AND DEFENSIBLE!
Given that the handbook includes Class of 2008 graduates, and Class of 2009 graduates, AND CLASS OF 2010 graduates, he's lying his ass off. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:23 PM Author: motley school "He said they had a lot of very solid candidates for clerkships this year, and hence the jump in numbers."
wat? the statistic is for the class of 2008, not 2010 or 2009. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:24 PM Author: Bossy Institution Odds that OP is Spivey or some CSO drone himself, given that it's a pretty anonymous moniker by some poster we've never seen before who actually used the "Subject" field? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14932010) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:32 PM Author: motley school Can't say for sure, but that was a strangely phrased post. It certainly did not read like the post of a student who seriously inquired into the cause of the discrepancy.
For the record, I don't rule out incompetence. I wouldn't be shocked if the post above was an attempt to cover someone's ass. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 8:40 PM Author: Bossy Institution Also, FYI, the metadata in the PDF says it was created April 14, 2010.
Fag. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:01 PM Author: Smoky milk Sup Spivey. Your school is SHIT, pure SHIT. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14933266) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:14 PM Author: Dun drunken yarmulke cruise ship The number of solid candidates never really changes unless WUSTL's class size varies. The top 5% of the class is always composed of x number of people and they are the only people who are qualified, apparently, since only about 4% get clerkships worth doing. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14933352) |
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Date: July 14th, 2010 3:56 PM Author: Multi-colored Headpube nice assumption that the clerkships are only taken by students at the top of the class. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#15506026) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:15 PM Author: Dun drunken yarmulke cruise ship And what people with clerkships did they omit? I'm sure they tracked down every last soul of a graduate who set foot in a judge's chambers after graduation. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14933360) |
Date: May 6th, 2010 10:26 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925666) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:32 PM Author: Bossy Institution I include citations. HTH. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925719) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:32 PM Author: vigorous turquoise generalized bond Schools lie about their placement statistics and starting salaries all the time (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925721) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:34 PM Author: Opaque at-the-ready casino I mean, you counted 7.4%, what makes you think they didn't have several other people that they just didn't disclose about? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925747) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:35 PM Author: Bossy Institution If they lied about it, they can get to 7.4%. (Did you miss that part? Where it's 4.4%, unless they lied?) And then they'd have to hide clerks from their own "complete" directory. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925753) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:29 AM Author: Spruce odious kitchen Are you a retard? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14928786) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:31 PM Author: adventurous partner great post (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925709) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:34 PM Author: Bossy Institution Lying and/or incompetent. Which, or is it both? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925748) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:37 PM Author: adventurous partner i'm sure it's deliberate (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925771) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:33 PM Author: Comical drab corn cake hall you sir, are doing god's work. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925732) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:35 PM Author: Bossy Institution Like the three crosses on Calvary. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925760) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:34 PM Author: vigorous turquoise generalized bond Most people on XOXO are bitter/realistic enough to realize statistics that come out of schools are flat out TTT and false. There are other places where gunners thrive and troll, and this isn't the case. You need to spread the word, my friend. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925749) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:36 PM Author: Bossy Institution Yes, but rarely is there actual proof of the lying. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925767) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:36 PM Author: Pink Startled Pervert WUSTL lied, TTTers died (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925765) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:40 PM Author: Bipolar bateful telephone Keep the peasants terrified! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925808) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:37 PM Author: slap-happy federal office nibblets are you saying seton hall's median starting salary isn't 160k (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925770) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:37 PM Author: Pink Startled Pervert It is, for the 3 people who have jobs (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925775) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:38 PM Author: Bossy Institution Are you saying that your projected life expectancy has not appreciably diminished by your exposure to asbestos and/or radon? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925782) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 10:38 PM Author: Bossy Institution So, you vote for incompetent. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14925786) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 11:06 PM Author: Electric fortuitous meteor Do staff circuit clerks count as Article III? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14926151) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 11:08 PM Author: wine high-end bawdyhouse digit ratio lawl. next up: figuring out how 100% of UNC clerks are article III. there should be some sort of sanction for outright lying on this shit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14926181) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 11:18 PM Author: Cruel-hearted lilac plaza circlehead hysterical since at least 3 vagistrates in middle/western NC ONLY take UNC grads (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14926290) |
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Date: May 6th, 2010 11:13 PM Author: exhilarant pistol Did you know that no student at Northwestern has ever graduated without a job offer? How about UIUC claiming the retail value of westlaw and lexis as per student spending?
Shits retarded man. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 12:10 AM Author: up-to-no-good french chef heaven subtle gulc trolling (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14926769) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 12:29 AM Author: talented idiotic chapel OUTED as a Cornell student (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14926966) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 8:04 AM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14928620) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:26 AM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14928781) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 10:55 AM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929268) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 10:56 AM Author: Spruce odious kitchen I should forward this to the WUSTL grads here at work. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929272) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:05 AM Author: Bossy Institution Please do. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929323) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 10:59 AM Author: Cordovan Rigor Multi-billionaire damn you angry (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929287) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:05 AM Author: Bossy Institution FACT: You could shoot 500 rounds on Southport and never hit a WUSTL law grad. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929327) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:10 AM Author: bright self-absorbed orchestra pit Eh, I think this is a just cause. Law schools are lying sacks of shit when it comes to employment and clerkship stats. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929360) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:02 AM Author: Comical drab corn cake hall i'll just leave this here...
http://law.wustl.edu/faculty_profiles/index.aspx?ID=7838 |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:06 AM Author: autistic rehab old irish cottage *does the WUSTL*
*is preyed upon by lying sacks of shit* |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:08 AM Author: Overrated base I <3 this thread. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929351) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:09 AM Author: stirring saffron church d00d, they use their own formulas to come up with numbers like that. basically what GS gave to Moodys and S&P to rate their securities.
You're calculations are correct but they were never going to match up because all the schools have their own formulas for calculating all the stats. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:11 AM Author: Comical drab corn cake hall *calculates tax courts as article III courts* (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929366) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:12 AM Author: bright self-absorbed orchestra pit The OP broke down the numbers so people could see what the underlying data was. I think it's fair for people to evaluate whether the school's formula is a reasonable, non-misleading choice. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929369) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:13 AM Author: stirring saffron church ok... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929378) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:13 AM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929379) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:16 AM Author: fear-inspiring crackhouse so, your vote is for lying sack of shit? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929398) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:17 AM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929404) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:19 AM Author: fear-inspiring crackhouse you're doing good work here, friend. If I can find a verifiable list of clerks for Vandy I'll do the same thing (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929421) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:18 AM Author: stirring saffron church ? everybody knows data from law schools isn't accurate. You don't need to break it down to prove it. It is presumed inaccurate until proven otherwise. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929418) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:22 AM Author: bright self-absorbed orchestra pit I don't think prospective students are that aware of the inaccuracies. Additionally, exposing the inaccuracies and manipulation might provide some pressure to change things, if enough people get behind it and it gets embarassing.
Or maybe not. Either way, I don't think it hurts to talk about it. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:24 AM Author: stirring saffron church There is nothing harder to do than convince a prospective law student not to take out 100K in debt and not go to law school Facts get in the way. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929466) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:27 AM Author: fear-inspiring crackhouse It's funny how everyone says this 3L year, none of the prospective students listen, who then sing the same tune 3 years later. Vicious cycle. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929499) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:22 AM Author: Overrated base they should lose their non-profit status for all this. The law needs to be changed so that schools caught lying about employment #'s or caught manipulating statistics like this lose their tax free status. There need to be monetary penalties for this sort of shit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929447) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:25 AM Author: fear-inspiring crackhouse Not everyone knows that. Not even most prospective students know that. I don't want to get all crusady on this topic but law schools really are disseminating materials that at least fudge the numbers and, at worst, are intentionally misleading. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929476) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:27 AM Author: bright self-absorbed orchestra pit "Fudge" is really generous given some of the employment statistics schools reported from last year. 100% employment at graduation at Duke? I mean, I graduated when the economy was going nuts, and not everyone in my class had a job at graduation. I think people have always understood their was some fudging and some make-work jobs given to students to prop up numbers, but not the extent to which the data was being manipulated. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929495) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:29 AM Author: fear-inspiring crackhouse I was being as charitable as humanly possible, yes. I try not to get worked up over this subject because in the end I have no control over the situation.
But it really does fucking piss me off, especially considering how many of my classmates (and friends) are really hurting right now. A large part of that is the economy, yes, but part of it the incompetent way my school is run. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:27 AM Author: stirring saffron church Facts just get in the way. These prospective law students will still believe they'll be in the 7% instead of the 10% that they're told. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929506) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:31 AM Author: bright self-absorbed orchestra pit The problem is that it's not 7% to 10%. In this case, it was doubling the percentage. Employment statistics are even more misleading. UC-Davis claims 97% of its students were employed at graduation last year. Do you really think it's something like a 3% difference between that and the real number?
It's also not limited to the schools where it's acknowledged that you need to be at the very top to get a good job or a clerkship. Some of the worst offenders are schools that imply that almost all their students will do well, when really it's only the top quarter.
Besides, why waste energy crusading for fatalism? If people complaining about this practice are ignored, all they lose is their time, the same as you.
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:56 PM Author: stirring saffron church Prospective students base their employment conclusion based on those who got jobs. Even if the school was honest and said, only 20% of people will have jobs at graduation, they'll still attend because they believe they'll be in that 20%. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14930833) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:44 AM Author: Bossy Institution The other problem is relativity. There are dozens of stats, and if an applicant sees a school pulling ahead in one area, they find that as a justification to attend the school or to deem it "on the rise" or "underrated."
Go read TLS: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=116941
Read this shit: "Not to overspeculate or anything, but it is nice to see WUSTL with a decent showing. Better than its traditional midwestern counterparts anyways (UIUC, ND, Iowa, Minn, etc.)
But like you said, it is a personal thing as well, and fluctuations are the norm (since WUSTL had rather low clerkship placement the year before).
But still... its nice to see." |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:54 PM Author: stirring saffron church Yeah, kids think they'll be in the top 10% and they'll be fine. They only see the good. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14930821) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:36 PM Author: motley school "You're calculations are correct but they were never going to match up because all the schools have their own formulas for calculating all the stats."
This is hilarious. They're not coming up with complex stochastic equations to price exotic financial instruments. This is a fucking fraction. You divide the number of clerks placed into Article 3 courts (a well defined category) by the number of graduates in the class (also well defined).
This is like voter registration--there's no wiggle room. "Well, yes Hans Johnson died 20 years ago and somehow managed to vote in the last election, but you know they use their own special voter registration system SO I'M SURE IT'S COMPLETELY LEGIT." |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:53 PM Author: stirring saffron church "This is hilarious. They're not coming up with complex stochastic equations to price exotic financial instruments. This is a fucking fraction. You divide the number of clerks placed into Article 3 courts (a well defined category) by the number of graduates in the class (also well defined). "
Except they don't divide the number by graduates. They divide by a number they decide on based on a formula which includes a few different variables.
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Date: May 7th, 2010 3:01 PM Author: motley school Title of table: "Whose ***2008*** graduates are most likely to be employed as Federal judicial clerks with Article III Federal judges?"
Is "2008 graduates" not well defined? What extra "variables" can be included here? Perhaps the oft overlooked "wishful thinking multiplier" is a candidate. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:17 AM Author: fear-inspiring crackhouse Also, 10% of Vandy has an article III clerkship? I highly fucking doubt that. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929413) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:19 AM Author: Bossy Institution https://portal.law.vanderbilt.edu/sites/judicialclerkships/default.aspx (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929426) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:20 AM Author: Overrated base username and password please :-) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929433) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:22 AM Author: Bossy Institution http://law.vanderbilt.edu/article-search/article-detail/index.aspx?nid=190
We can do this math. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:23 AM Author: Overrated base lmao at bankruptcy court clerkships in NC. Twas a time 5 years ago when nobody even wanted one of those in the SDNY.
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:23 AM Author: fear-inspiring crackhouse There's a publicized list here for last year
http://law.vanderbilt.edu/article-search/article-detail/index.aspx?nid=253
Maybe the number is about right, just glancing over the list, but I have no clue how many of those are magistrate judges and don't have the energy to find out. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:39 AM Author: motley school Why isn't this on ATL? This is egregious--it goes beyond omission of relevant information (e.g., only 60% of grads filled out this salary survey). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929628) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 11:58 AM Author: big-titted milky hunting ground (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14929756) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 1:17 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14930146) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:17 PM Author: big-titted milky hunting ground (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14930511) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:18 PM Author: Comical drab corn cake hall To the lying and/or incompetent sacks of shit running WUSTL (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14930514) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:39 PM Author: blue blathering laser beams ape honestly who cares? you have nothing better to do than do statistics during finals? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14930674) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 2:49 PM Author: motley school You seem like a stand up guy. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14930771) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 4:03 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14931353) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 4:08 PM Author: mahogany twisted idiot It's not on ATL because lying by law schools is "dog bites man." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14931403) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 4:22 PM Author: motley school I think there's a big difference between (1) using overly optimistic phrasing and somewhat misleading framing (standard for employment stats) and (2) outright misreporting.
It's like the difference between a public company (1) issuing lots of soft, optimistic projections and emphasizing earnings before bad stuff (rather than standardized accounting measures) and (2) reporting revenue that is misstated by 50%. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 4:57 PM Author: orchid athletic conference puppy cr (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14931775) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 4:29 PM Author: garnet home kitty does anyone really care? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14931566) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:14 PM Author: indigo vivacious property Subject: These Numbers Just talked to Dean Spivey today (the CSO at WUSTL) about these numbers, and he indicated that the handbook you are referencing is outdated and from their old website. He also indicated that this year's class was sort of an aberration (a huge jump from last year's class) and said it will be difficult to predict what will happen next year. He said they had a lot of very solid candidates for clerkships this year, and hence the jump in numbers.
I'm not saying the numbers are perfect and I'm not trying to defend WUSTL or anything, I just wanted to point out that the numbers you are using are wrong (according to their career services dean). That handbook is not their "Official List of Wash U Clerks for the c/o 2008." It is just a guide to clerkships in general, and there are people with clerkships not listed in there.
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:18 PM Author: Bossy Institution So, you're saying that the "JUDICIAL CLERKSHIP HANDBOOK 2010" is out of date? PERFECTLY LOGICAL AND DEFENSIBLE!
Given that the handbook includes Class of 2008 graduates, and Class of 2009 graduates, AND CLASS OF 2010 graduates, he's lying his ass off. |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 8:57 PM Author: nudist chestnut rigpig factory reset button (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14933241) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 9:04 PM Author: autistic rehab old irish cottage sup undercover WUSTL representative (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14933287) |
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Date: May 8th, 2010 3:13 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14937797) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:17 PM Author: Passionate deranged market preventive strike this thread is about a 0.8 percentage point difference (8.2% - 7.4%)? seriously? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14931916) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:18 PM Author: Bossy Institution It's about 4.4% to 8.2%. If they lied their asses off, they could get to 7.4%. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14931930) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:23 PM Author: Passionate deranged market preventive strike why do i not care at all about this? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14931992) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 5:37 PM Author: Dun drunken yarmulke cruise ship How many people get biglaw? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14932088) |
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Date: May 7th, 2010 6:04 PM Author: Bossy Institution I'll carve out a few days to expose this data. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14932230) |
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Date: May 9th, 2010 8:57 AM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14944167) |
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Date: May 9th, 2010 5:14 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14946624) |
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Date: May 10th, 2010 1:11 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14953841) |
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Date: May 10th, 2010 1:41 PM Author: Cracking Frum Doctorate (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14954055) |
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Date: May 10th, 2010 1:43 PM Author: Aquamarine concupiscible locus patrolman underattended thread (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14954072) |
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Date: May 13th, 2010 3:41 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#14982336) |
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Date: July 14th, 2010 3:29 PM Author: orchid athletic conference puppy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#15505832) |
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Date: July 14th, 2010 4:07 PM Author: Adulterous crotch organic girlfriend thanks for the bump. missed this the first time.
So Birch Bayh's youngest did the WUSTL, huh?
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Date: July 14th, 2010 4:13 PM Author: outnumbered skinny woman whorehouse Good bump. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#15506167) |
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Date: September 12th, 2010 3:37 PM Author: orchid athletic conference puppy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#16026988) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2010 7:51 AM Author: razzle-dazzle trust fund voyeur (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#16195480) |
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Date: November 8th, 2010 5:56 PM Author: adventurous partner (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#16500870) |
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Date: November 8th, 2010 10:52 PM Author: Light mediation queen of the night HOW WAS OCI THIS YEAR? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#16503348) |
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Date: November 16th, 2010 4:53 PM Author: orchid athletic conference puppy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#16567034) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2010 10:10 AM Author: orchid athletic conference puppy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#16709567) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2011 4:03 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#17205912) |
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Date: March 17th, 2011 8:06 PM Author: Supple onyx indian lodge (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#17536269) |
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Date: March 17th, 2011 8:14 PM Author: Supple onyx indian lodge (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#17536385) |
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Date: September 5th, 2011 1:45 PM Author: Bossy Institution (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#18911108) |
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Date: September 5th, 2011 3:00 PM Author: Supple onyx indian lodge (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#18911521) |
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Date: September 5th, 2011 3:13 PM Author: sepia big coffee pot dingle berry Did anyone get jerbs from the WUSTL this year? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#18911597) |
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Date: September 5th, 2011 4:43 PM Author: Light mediation queen of the night Callbacks seem to be decent. I haven't talked to enough ppl to hear about offers. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#18912067) |
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Date: January 12th, 2012 1:06 PM Author: orchid athletic conference puppy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1304980&forum_id=2#19768021) |