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Difference between a tax lawyer and an accountant
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Date: September 7th, 2007 11:17 AM Author: crystalline lodge background story What's the difference? Why go through three extra years of schooling to come out doing what you could have done with an accounting degree and a CPA? Honest question. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610538) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 11:19 AM Author: Hairless haunting legal warrant accountant's can't represent clients in court (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610544) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 11:23 AM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation One has a longer jew nose. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610561) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:35 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen Ding! http://www.starkman.com/taxcourt/taxcourt.html (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610863) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation rofl http://www.starkman.com/about.html (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610872) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 11:22 AM Author: Sadistic free-loading laser beams a few hundred thousand. hth. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610559) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 11:42 AM Author: Bistre Crotch According to my accounting friends who went back for jd, the quality of tax law work is much higher then many accounting areas. Better pay and better career opportunities. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610599) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 11:43 AM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation this is the absolute right answer. accounting work sucks donkey balls and pays shit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610604) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 11:59 AM Author: crystalline lodge background story Can you be more specific? How is the quality of tax work much higher? And when is the quality of tax work ever high?
I always hear people throw around terms like "quality of work" is more challenging or higher or what not, but nobody ever explains to me why certain legal work is of a higher quality than other legal work.
Are you saying that accountants don't do any type of planning and all they do is crunch numbers?!? Why does it seem like the tax shelters and stuff are usually devised by the accounting firms?
Better pay is a given... what about career opportunities? What do tax lawyers do after they burn out in biglaw? jump to the big 4? |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:21 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation These questions are too stupid to respond to. Also, TTT tax LLMS = glorified accountants, not Skadden tax partners. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610811) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:24 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine tax accounting = compliance tax law = trying to think up new ways to avoid taxes |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:26 PM Author: Low-t motley multi-billionaire not true. see kpmg. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610825) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:28 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine Before you do anything new whatsoever in tax you need an opinion of a big law firm saying that you can do it (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610832) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:29 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation also KPMG has a ton of tax lawyers provide opinions. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610838) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:30 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen Not true (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610842) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:31 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation yeah, you only need a firm's opinion if you're trying to CYA on something you think is risky. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610844) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:33 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen Accounting firms can offer opinions that can be relied on. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610849) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:36 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation What would you know about this stuff? You work at a toilet EB shop. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610869) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen You mean a biglaw firm? Yes. And EB is 75% tax. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610870) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: Bistre Crotch best tax firm in DC? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610875) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:38 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen We definitely have the best benefits practice. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610882) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: Bistre Crotch (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610885) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: Bistre Crotch FYI I was asking what you thought the best tax firm was, not whether you worked there (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610887) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen Edit: I see. misread the post. Best tax firm for what type of tax? |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:45 PM Author: Bistre Crotch Deal structuring/corporate shit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610918) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen Possibly McKee. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610924) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: Bistre Crotch whats the word on their DC workload/hours? I heard its pretty bad, even for tax (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610928) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen I've heard conflicting reports. Originally, I heard that the hours weren't that bad for McKee's DC office, but recently, I've heard that DC is becoming a lot more like their NYC sweatshop. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610940) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:52 PM Author: Bistre Crotch k tx. Do they give market bonuses? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610951) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:53 PM Author: laughsome useless brakes liquid oxygen I'm pretty sure they do (although not 100%). They also boast that they pay above market salary. I don't know if that is still true after the bump to 160. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610960) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation rofl. I won't name your firm, but will laugh at your horrible trolling. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610886) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation You're not in biglaw you douchebag. I know where you work. EB is for losers. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610883) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:27 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation rough, but basically correct. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610827) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:27 PM Author: Bistre Crotch Also-tax controversy work, which is litigation that can be interesting. Dealing with the tax complications of a major deal is pretty intellectually stimulating, i suspect (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610828) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:29 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine tax litigation can be great because the government only works 40 hours a week (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610840) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:30 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation it's the least interesting litigation in the world. what would you rather do, prosecute a mobster or prosecute a tax-reporting error? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610841) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: Bistre Crotch obviously better stories from the mob case, but more interesting legal questions from the tax case. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610884) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:40 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation how is it more interesting? you've clearly never done actual tax work. tax work is less interesting than physics. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610890) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: Bistre Crotch I don't know what physics has to do with anything. Are you saying analyzing a tax transaction is less interesting from a legal perspective then a rico case? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610899) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:48 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation Do you not know how to read? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610934) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:53 PM Author: Bistre Crotch I was under the impression that physics IS interesting...So I wasn't sure what you were getting at. If you mean that physics is mind-numbingly boring, then well I understand. I enjoyed my physics courses....so who knows maybe I like boring shit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610958) |
Date: September 7th, 2007 1:18 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: How are the Career Opportunities Better with a JD? Accounting is in demand right now whereas we churn out a surplus of JDs each year. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610803) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation He means a good JD, you dumbass. Toilet tax LLMs work at accounting firms, as accountants. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610813) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:24 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: That's a big caveat right there... it's almost like saying the career opportunities are better in law than medicine...sure if you went to Yale Law. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610816) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:25 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine If you have a shit accounting degree you're not going to work for the Big 4 either. You're going to be a bookkeeper for your local suburban school district (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610821) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:28 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: True, but there aren't just 14-20 schools around that will... allow you to get a job at a Big 4. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610831) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:30 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation H&R block lol (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610843) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:23 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine Tax lawyers start at 130k more than tax accountants (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610814) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:25 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: Do these tax lawyers have to be graduates of top law schools... to make 130k more than accountants? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610823) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:27 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine no, all the typical caveats apply as when talking about big law firms.
as for accountants, you have to go to a decent school and have pretty good grades to get an offer with a big 4 |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:39 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: Yes, but my point still stands though."Decent school"... has a far far broader definition among the big 4 than it does vis a vis law schools and the most prestigious law firms. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610889) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine so dont go to law school if you cant get into a good one. This is news to people? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610901) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:44 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: Outside of XO, you'd be surprised... Also, I was merely trying to point out that accounting has that one advantage over law (i.e. you don't need to graduate from a highly ranked accounting program to land a job at a big 4). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610914) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:59 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine that's true, but I still tend to think that people who go to law school and end up at 80k/year jobs are still better off than big4 people. The qol at big4 is horrible, especially in audit and consulting, and those are the places with all the exit options. Plus, you can't stay if you aren't promoted, and that's no longer the case at most law firms. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610973) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:05 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: Can you elaborate on the qol at Big 4s? What have you heard? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610988) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:15 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine My uncle was a partner at a big 4, in audit. The atmosphere is work all the time, get drunk once in a while, see you family on occasion, and divorce your wife every 5 or 7 years. Many partners are on their third wives.
similar to a big law firm I'd imagine, except you have the up or out stuff coming at you every few years instead of just once. It's impossible to make partner, and it takes a minimum of 12 years. Maybe 1 person out of 50 makes manager, and 1 manager out of 5 makes partner. of course, the money is less at every level than a big law firm, including at partner, where the take home is around 600k now or something |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:37 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation Good post. It's like the 99c store of tax work. High volume, low quality. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611113) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:40 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: That sucks, I'm considering becoming an accountant... because:
1) It doesn't seem as prestige obsessed as law, and I would have a better chance of ending up at a top accounting firm than at a top law firm.
2) I want to ultimately become an entrepreneur and accounting will probably be more useful.
3) There seems to be more job security in accounting (for someone like me who doesn't stand a chance at a t10 law school). Oh yeah, the opportunities to work abroad seem far easier and broader in accounting than law. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:49 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine I dont think it's a horrible profession or anything, but it's not as cozy as law. Even if you dont make a top firm, if you do well at a decent local school you'll probably be making more than you would as an accountant.
most people do not last 3 years at a big 4. in tax there is a lot less travel but you don't build the network outside the firm that you do in audit or consulting. Auditors are constantly on the road and do the most trivial shit often. They are literally the people who go out to random distribution sites and open random boxes just to see if merchandise is really there. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:21 PM Author: Drab den coffee pot Tax lawyers are guys who are good with numbers but didn't have enough personality to be an accountant. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610810) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:29 PM Author: Bistre Crotch personality is enough to make up for the boring ass nature of accountancy? maybe so.
Most of the tax lawyers i have met love their jobs. They constitute the small % of lawyers I have met who genuinely recommend their field to others. Tax law also provides an in/out door between the public policy/gov't industry, and private law firms and accountant firms. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:34 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: Accountants are Supposed to Have Personality??? This is news to me. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610854) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:36 PM Author: Bistre Crotch exactly. I have met some PWC doods who were pretty fun, but I don't think they liked their jobs so they seemed to be overcompensating (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610867) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: They may be fun but is personality an important criterion... that the Big 4 looks for? I mean accountants don't exactly have a reputation for being fun and add the fact that there's a huge demand right now it seems the Big 4 doesn't have that luxury. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610904) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:44 PM Author: Bistre Crotch PWC does, from what I understand. Like the latham of big 4s? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610913) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:45 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation PWC pays about 95 to new LLMs, guess what Latham pays?
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: Bistre Crotch Basically PWC doods were working until 8 to 10 every night during the week, and they had to work some weekends (but not that many). even 7 or 8 was considered an early night. The busy season was supposed to abate, but evidently busy season just kept right on going. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610925) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:49 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation omg raped. that sucks so bad. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610937) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:53 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation why'd you edit out dood? that was helpful info. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610959) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:56 PM Author: Bistre Crotch fixed (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610970) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:46 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine the market for lawyers is hot as hell right now. Big firms nationwide are going to add like 7000 more new associates, more than all the top 25 law schools combined (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610921) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:47 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation You're an idiot. Firms are talking layoffs. Tax is the smallest area in biglaw. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610927) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:54 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine thats new york. you guys are just too close to investment banks. the rest of the country is expanding, especially amlaw 100-200
as for the smallest area in biglaw, tax is larger than trusts and estates |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:56 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation good points I guess (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610969) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:53 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: Market for lawyers hot as hell right now?! Even if that were... true, how many law schools outside the t25 do we have and how many graduates do all of these schools produce? I sincerely hope a naive law school bound college student doesn't run into this thread. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610956) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:56 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine Yea, dont go to law school if you cant get into a good one. But if you are in a top 5 school or 10 or whatever, it's pretty good right now, especially if you dont have a boner for new york (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610968) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:02 PM Author: electric pontificating stain Subject: I agree but graduates of top 5-10 schools are always... fine regardless of the market. If there are no jobs in law, they have many other options. A fairly average student with an accounting degree can still realistically have a shot at a Big 4 and have great exit options. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610980) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:04 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation It's an old joke, you fucking moron. Your sense of humor tells me you're cut out for tax law, though. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610986) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:22 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine it's only 2 extra years since the CPA requires 5 years of schooling (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610812) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:37 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead no one ansewered the op's original question
Heres an example of the difference lets say you are working with the estate tax. An accoutant will crunch all the numbers, do the balance sheets, etc. A tax lawyer will fight about whether a certain thing should be included in the gross estate or not (and all the nitpicking arguments about if you derived a benefit from the item in question, etc,etc)
Also, as for big 4 accounting firms doing tax shelters, thats because big 4 firms employ tax lawyers. In fact, the 2nd best rated tax law practice in nyc is deloitte (this first best is a v10 biglaw firm). These big 4 speiciality groups dont pay as much a biglaw but they do pay 6 figures. Also from what i hear, its not a rigid pay scale like a biglaw firm, you can negotiate at your interview for more money or fuck up and get less money. Ive also heard they are less grade focused then biglaw.
That 6 figure quote is for an LLM holder. If you go to an accoutning firm as a tax lawyer with just a jd, the range is like 60-80 (from what i have heard). However, they usually do pay for your LLM down the line, so that may be worth something.
XO's lack of knowledge on this stuff is sad |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:41 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine even having to get an llm is ridiculous if you come from a good school. Some people with JDs come out with more tax classes than the LLMs (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610892) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:46 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead most tax lawyers do eventually go back and get an llm (whether they do it to get a job after graudating with no job and a bunch of tax classes or the firm they work for sends them back) You learn a lot more in llm tax classes then you do in jd classes. A lot of the basic jd tax classes dont go into depth like an llm.
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:51 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine thats not true at all. maybe a third of tax partners at top firms have an llm (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610944) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:03 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead most people i talk to about it say you really want the llm if you want to do tax law, you just learn so much more. I wasnt aware of the biglaw tax partner thing, you sure about that? |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:07 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine just go to skadden.com and bring up a list of partners in tax. other big firms are similar. people with good JDs dont get the tax llm that often.
it's definitely not a requirement or anything. anyway most of those tax courses you'd take during an llm are taught by adjunct faculty who work at a big firm. if you worked there, they'd just teach you the stuff themselves |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:09 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation If you're paying for your LLM you shoudl killself.
If your firm wants you to get an LLM, they'll tell you, and pay for it. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:13 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead if you're paying for a llm to get you a much better job then its really not stupid at al
also whats your problem with eb practice? you dont know much about it if you didnt know that its 95% tax. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:14 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation Thanks for confirming your TTT-ness. You really need to STFU and let the top school grads talk. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611020) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:24 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead the ones like you who have no idea what they're talking about right? Yeah, we would be wayyyyy better of listening to you be like oh my god im a ridiculous nerd, i dont have any idea about taxlaw, lolllz, wgwag, ttt, stfu, etc etc
freakin nerds. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:28 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation So why couldn't your biglaw firm pay for your LLM? Oh yeah, you don't work in biglaw. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611087) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:10 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead most of the tax courses you take at an llm (a good llm anyway) are taught by top of the field people, not adjuncts (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610999) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:12 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation I'm guessing you attend a TTT LLM program. Am I right? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611004) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:20 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead nope, you are not. xo's got a real problem with morons like you ruining threads, you know? You dont know anything about anything on the subject, and you just shoot off your fool mouth.
Go learn what EB means and what big4 speciality groups actually do. Maybe try wiki. Maybe try wiki's sister site, wiki for fucking morons. I dont know. Then come back. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:25 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation Paying for your own toilet LLM and a big4/EB troll. You must be flame. No one could be that TTT. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611076) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:20 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine Dude I went to a top tax llm school for my jd and I took a few courses advanced courses in tax back in the day. Almost all the ones that were not "Comparative Tax Policy" or some shit like that were taught by adjuncts. The adjuncts are the top of the field people, not the professors. You become a professor in tax law because you like tax policy and you don't like nitty gritty of practice. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611059) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:22 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead How did you find the tax courses at the school? Not like comparative tax policy, but you know, international, biz org tax. Since im assuming you had the same professors that llm people would.
the problem with bad tax professors is that you just cant learn it from them, you have to go to the hornbooks, did you find with yours class was enough? |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:27 PM Author: boyish navy indian lodge dopamine I dont practice tax. the classes I took were related to my particular area of corporate that I wanted to go into.
the classes were not bad. adjuncts tend to lecture more I think but other than that there isn't a lot of generalizing that can be done. oh and they are easy graders. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead Oh yeah, and while we're on the subejct. The tax court thing
That poster was totally right, non lawyers can represent people in tax court. An accountant need only fill out a form and take a test. Some say this was enacted for the benefit of the big 4's (So their people could go to tax court)
However, though a non jd can represent a party in tax court, its not a good idea. First off, no duty of confidientialy or non disclosure for the accountant, which is a really big deal if you want to quasi illegally shelter your illegal income. Second, most accountants wont do as well a job (not all though, i know a guy who works for the irs, accounting degree, been there for like 20 years. He knows more tax law (by far) then me or my law school friends.
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:42 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation "do pay 6 figures"
starting big4 salaries are around 95, IF you have an LLM. NO ONE would choose big4 over biglaw. You're a Big4 troll. Sorry you couldn't get a $250k biglaw job. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:01 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead actually dont have either job yet. Int and M&a tax groups start at 110. Are you right about picking biglaw over big4? maybe, i dunno. And i would probably take biglaw money and run given the chance, sure But we're not talking about that here, we're talking about big4. Also, some practices at big4 arent really done at biglaw. Alot of international tax (which really, is the coolest stuff to do) is mainly done in big4 groups. Biglaw does a lot of erisa/employee benefits tax and estate and gift tax work. A lot of tax planning for their wealthy clients who come there for something else first. So yeah, biglaw pays more, and its probably the best choice (because of that great pay) but if you can take 110k to do something you like and want a career in or 160k to do whaever tax work is thrown to you, then the decision can be harder. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:13 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation "Alot of international tax (which really, is the coolest stuff to do) is mainly done in big4 groups."
Wow you're a TTT idiot. Just killself you stupid moron. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:15 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead you're the same idiot who has no iea what eb is. You're also an idiot for not knowing ny big4 is doing most of the tax shelter work.
(tax shelters involve countries outside this one, so that makes them international, I wasnt sure if you got that, you know, with being a fucking moron and all) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:22 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation STFU you TTT LLM, paying for it yourself, piece of shit.
Get out of here and let the people who know talk. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:25 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead again, those people dont include you (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611075) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:26 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation *watches you write a check to your school's bursars, laughs*
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:32 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead you changing your handle around to look cooler there nerd? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611103) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:35 PM Author: hairraiser learning disabled heaven mediation It's a community account, you stupid idiot. Now STFU. You can pay for all the LLMs you want, no one is going to care. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611108) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:51 PM Author: Wine Costumed Circlehead no ones asking you to care. i just dont like idiots who have no idea what they're talking about (like you) butting into to my threads. if you want attention so badly maybe you should make one of those wgwag threads. That or suicide, eithers good. |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 1:43 PM Author: primrose hell feces I've asked a tax atty about this before. The #1 difference (for this guy, at least) is that attorneys have attorney-client privilege, accountants do not. For a wealthy person going through a divorce, an attorney is much more useful than an accountant. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8610903) |
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Date: September 7th, 2007 2:13 PM Author: Shaky Water Buffalo Brunch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accountant-client_privilege (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=682850&forum_id=2#8611010) |