Date: April 23rd, 2026 1:12 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
Wealthiest 30% of Americans are so rich and have so much surplus there's still enormous room to spend spend spend. And even though proles don't got it like that the bottom 70% of earners spend close to 100% of earnings. Even if most of that goes to rent and credit cards they're still spending like mad to keep up the bottom. And richmos are absolutely balling at the top. It's still insane to me anyone thinks that there's any chance of the economy going down.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 1:39 PM Author: topaz point
it sucks that most people are now neofeudal serfs living paycheck to paycheck in poverty & i have empathy, but this will keep getting worse & nothing i can do about it -- the amount of $$ & status required to avoid the Dindu Thunderdome keeps getting higher and higher
Date: April 23rd, 2026 1:48 PM Author: topaz point
inevitable outcome is the worldwide digital panopticon/mark of the beast + centralized in greater israel
money will be digital, programmable and conditional on individual compliance via CBDCs, overseen by a malevolent AI scanning everyone's digital footprints & assigning up to the minute social credit scores
eat the bugs, get the jewish heart attack jabs, say and do all the right things (which inevitably involve your slow poisoning and becoming infertile) or have all your money automatically taken from you. no right of appeal, comply or your money simply won't work
longer term the parasitical upper elite jews want to become a separate race entirely from the mongrelized, mixed race slave class who will be used for medical experimentation like lab rats and sexual exploitation
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:03 PM Author: topaz point
Frank Herbert wrote of this principle. “When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.”
Date: April 23rd, 2026 1:15 PM Author: gamers rise up
What do you even mean by “economy”
Serious question I’m not being snarky. Imo it doesn’t even make sense to talk about a coherent, unified “economy” that responds to real world conditions anymore. That concept no longer exists in practice
Date: April 23rd, 2026 1:45 PM Author: Ebony Orchestra Pit Persian
The massive increase in consumption behaviors of the bottom 70% is still the major driver of their lack of participation in the ZIRP driven expansion of the last 30 years. You’re absolutely right that probably more like the bottom 80 or more of incomes live paycheck to paycheck, and if you count house poor UMCs with retirement savings rates that are too low you’re probably at 90%. But Americans eat out more than 2x the amount they did in 1980 and eat 3x the amount of fast food. Various other expenses that historically would have been throttled down during tighter economic times don’t show the same drops (eg box office is booming this year, travel and leisure expense wasn’t impacted nearly as much as expected either during the 2022-23 spike in gas prices or since the spike this year, Walmart has been crushing for the last 2 years and Target reversed its revenue slide in early 2026). The main takeaway from the last 5 years is that Americans will bitch plenty about high prices but not bother to get off their lazy asses and cook something instead of ordering DoorDash or eating out and they are not desperate enough to stop buying cheap foreign made goods even as Gen Z has repurposed used clothing retail to find new ways to pay for expensive designer brands and collectors items. We are very far from people spending $10 a week to feed a family of four with 5 lbs of rice and beans and a whole chicken.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:30 PM Author: Ebony Orchestra Pit Persian
Biggest offenders are middle class people who actually have choices about stuff like cars and housing and still overspend on those plus college plus daily expenses. Bottom 2 quintiles are pretty fucked (one can argue the eugenics case, but at a minimum I’d agree it’s clear these people need help from somewhere), but these should also be the people that fill the massive/growing trades gap, and if the market is not solving the mismatch on its own that’s a great opening for a directed/limited policy intervention.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:09 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
who is in denial about this? the whole reason radicals like bernie, trump and obama (during his campaign) are so popular is because they point this out and campaign on fixing.
obviously there is broad recognition of this and a strong desire to change. the problem is that it's a very hard thing to actually do. especially with how bitterly partisan things are. yesterday you called me a commie for saying exactly what you're talking about now.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:32 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
What am I talking about? You often jump ahead and make assertions about things I have never said. This thread is about how naysayers and doomers don't think this can go on forever but it obviously can.
Whether or not politicians campaign on hope and change, successfully or unsuccessfully, is tertiary to whether or not richmos can prop up economic growth indefinitely. I'm just stating the facts regardless of how you feel about them.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:39 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
im addressing your thread title about people being in "deep denial" about the K-shaped economy, which i took to mean "doesn't exist."
i didn't address your assertion that "it can obviously go on forever" because it's too retarded to engage with. if that's what you meant with denial, i.e. that it's obvious it'll last forever, thats retarded.
history is repleate with periods of wealth consolidating until the working class gets fed up and big systemic changes happening. it's happened multiple times in us history. so no, it's not obvious that this will last forever, because if it did it'll be the first time in human history that's happened.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:01 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
no. the progressive era, new deal, and great society all occurred without violent revolution. and there have been plenty of pro-working class reforms since then too.
my point is that throughout human history people have never been ok will being exploited forever. we're already seeing discontent surging year after year. from both the right and the left. i doubt there are many zoomers looking at their prospects and are hopeful things are going to get better.
this type of reform is something you've screeded about for years. your tune has only changed since you downloaded robinhood. have you considered that perhaps it's only "obvious" to you now that that's what you'd like to happen? otherwise, why wasn't it "obvious" until last month?
Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:24 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
People get emotional. They vote for change. Change doesn't come. Then they're deluded by culture war and bread and circus. Nothing Ever Happens. I'm done giving my time and attention to pols. Just make money and stfu.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:29 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
I hear a LOT of people talk about how the economy is going to zero and that this bull run of investing can't last forever. There are a lot of naysayers, and even people wishing for collapse. The this can't last forever and it's all going to zero crowd are very loud.
In the crowds I run with/intellectual discussions I am privy to, no one talks about the economy "going to zero" because we don't care about the stock market. We talk about the economy going to SHIT for everyday working Americans.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:34 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
It's a noble cause and one worth fighting for. If there were a magic bullet we'd all take it.
I notice though a lot of wishful doomerism especially in MSM. Lot of news articles this past week about how the economy ought to be doing worse to reflect the feelings of the author. That's all I'm getting at. Misplaced doomerism.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:51 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
I don't think it speaks for regular every day people. By virtue of it speaking for the ruling class, it has the value of accurately reflecting the sentiment of those with the heaviest investments in the economy. And to me it's a sort of latter day bourgeois sentiment of I'm so fucking well off, what I really want is for the world to reflect how I feel. To be honest it's just the left wing inverse of the right. They just want Bad Things to happen under Trump the same way Trumpmos wanted bad things to happen under Biden. It's all very post-scarcity. It's what you would do if you had no financial problems for decades and were fixated on your side winning. There are plenty of people who disagree but the boomers are still Winning.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:43 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
no serious anywhere thinks the economy or stock market is "going to zero." OP just has bizarre black/white thinking, so he sees the options as only zero and moon.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 2:53 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
I watched a lot of interviews with Morgan Stanley and Blackrock managers. They all said the same thing. There are wonderful, robust, undeniable super companies and everything else is trash.
Why are you listening to the worst, least representative people in the country and attributing their espoused stances (which might not even be their real beliefs) to "people" in general?
Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:04 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
Not attributing their stances to people. Trying to emulate them. They're where they are because they went against the grain. Look I'll never be a trip and slip shitlawyer and my dad didn't give me ~12 million dollars. I'm just lookin for a way up.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:10 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
because they have an interest in the stock market growing. you might as well be citing CEO remarks about how well their company is doing.
privately it's a different story. and the best indication of that is how volitile the market had been.
why do you think the market took such a huge hit in february on operations in iran that didnt cause any immediate impact to justify such a decline? it's because the same people who are saying "it's going up forever!" have their finger on the sell button because they are afraid the music is about to stop.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:15 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
A lot of investor panic. People worried about oil shock. There was a time period when it looked like there was no way out of Iran War for US. Lots of negative headlines. It's actually called a market dislocation and it was very temporary. I predict market will rip more later in the year. It's flat right now but when things look up again it will rip. No one is selling.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:32 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
you can predict whatever you want, im just saying your rationale is full of errors in reason and fact. for example i just cited market volatility and you talked about "panic selling", without considering whether institutional investors panicking over these conflicts at this level is unusual.
spoiler alert: it is. instead of taking their self-interested statements on msnbc as fact, perhaps consider why they are more panicky than usual, even comparing similar periods during other conflicts, and what that says about how much faith they really have.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 4:15 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
I knew the panic was fake. I bought at the bottom. Money poured in at historic levels. I won. Needing to justify myself to argumentative gunneratttt who wants to feud all day with everyone? Lol noap.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 4:23 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt)
im not trying to feud with you nor does this have anything to do with your individual performance. im just discussing the topic you poast. you're one sperging and resorting to personal attacks and this bizarre victim complex.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 4:43 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
Facts not in evidence. I say what I want to do say and you attack it. I don't really care what you do. But I defended my points and you're still going on about it long past the point of relevance.
every millenial and all those after are in deep denial, Boomers and Gen X are not. Boomers and Gen X know how to cook and pay off debt. Millenials et al. live pay check-to-check, credit card will be paid off once Gramma dies, skipthedishes is sooo crrr and the kids love it, my YouTube chanel has 10,000 subs were going to blog Portugal this year, this is all going to work out.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 3:01 PM Author: Naked area sex offender
lol wtf
These kids are required to pay 100k / yr for degrees that are trivially valuable today and will be completely worthless after two more llm models are released
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:03 PM Author: grizzly heady heaven
the economy is fine. there are two issues: 1) housing prices are completely out of control and crushing people's budgets, but that's a housing supply/format/population issue, not an issue with the "economy", and 2) most americans will never save because they don't want to
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:12 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
I mostly agree with this. This is cr. I know a lot of richmos who are house poor. A guy I know who makes 8K a month with adult children says he's broke because he bought a giant house.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:14 PM Author: grizzly heady heaven
rents are destroying working class people. if housing prices and rents had grown at a reasonable rate since the 90s, things would look pretty ok right now for most of the working class
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:20 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
100%
Another reason rents are so high is that cities became unlivable. No one talks about this because it's about cracking down on urban crime which Dems consider racist.
Safe cities used to be a wonderful place for young people to thrive and build up their savings for cheap. Now you have to avoid large swaths of evil urban area. It's destroying value for young people.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:28 PM Author: grizzly heady heaven
expanding the housing supply requires more apartments. it's just geography. single family home suburbs become increasingly inefficient as the population of an urban area increases, as you have to build further and further out, dedicate more inner ring land for highways to the outer ring, and so on
but apartments will never be acceptable to decent, respectable people unless there are strong norms around behavior, and yes, libs hate this.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:36 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
Yeah man no one respectable would live on the UES or Hoboken or Georgetown, or the area around Johns Hopkins...
There are tons of super wealthy urban areas. The problem is they're a small percentage of the total urban area. The problem is too much thunderdome. There will always be people trying to gentrify any cheap neighborhood that's on the come up because it's such an efficient use of land.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:53 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
Yes. And when neighborhoods become safe and affordable they get gentrified. The new people coming in may not be monetarily rich but they are rich in character. The riff raff is pushed out as they cannot afford to remain. Areas can easily be Transformed.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:54 PM Author: lascivious godawful meetinghouse
As soon as his expensive house is paid off he can retire ez. The only thing he can't do is build wealth in equities which is the real problem most people face.
Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:56 PM Author: Richard Ames
Health insurance costs are a big issue. If you are self-employed / own a business (even a modest one) and have a family to insure, you are basically paying a 2nd mortgage for health "insurance" and you still have sizable deductibles. Totally insane.