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If you were a MSM who only has oral (never anal), would taking PrEP be idiotic?
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:18 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested Assuming that PrEP is not a completely riskless medication, does the low risk of contracting from oral only actually make this pointless? Why do some doctors insist that PrEP makes sense in this instance. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50029988) |
Date: July 28th, 2026 2:19 PM Author: brilliant startling temple What does Grok say? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50029991) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:24 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested It won't let me ask without signing up. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030009) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:20 PM Author: Adventurous brass corner wtf is a msm? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50029996) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:22 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested men who sleep with men -- that's the term they use in the PrEP literature. Do you know what PrEP is should I describe? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030005) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:39 PM Author: Galvanic Weed Whacker Area no you should kill yourself (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030084) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:41 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested that seems excessive (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030091) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 6:34 AM Author: Cerebral Hunting Ground but fair (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031477) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:28 AM Author: bateful citrine abode blood rage , he claimed without evidence (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031644) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:31 AM Author: Black party of the first part (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031650) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 11:41 AM Author: curious toilet seat (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031841) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 7:20 PM Author: provocative library mediation (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030658) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 11:41 AM Author: curious toilet seat That's going a bit far (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031842) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 11:44 AM Author: Black party of the first part Stfu you deranged retarded negroid commie freak (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031853) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 11:19 AM Author: Adventurous brass corner I thought we were done with that now that Lindsay Graham is det (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031787) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:33 PM Author: Carnelian odious garrison psychic Is this just some idle hypo? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030062) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:41 PM Author: Crimson Slimy Meetinghouse Karate (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030090) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:41 PM Author: Crimson Slimy Meetinghouse Karate I've read this thread title at least 10 times and still have no idea what Im reading, lmao (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030089) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:46 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested lol -- ok, PrEP is pre-exposure prophylaxis -- a medication that if you take it, you are essentially guaranteed to not get hiv (you can take daily or even just around sexual activity). It is often recommended for gay men (men who sleep with men -- msm) though it is often unnecessary. In this hypo, I'm essentially asking if it is even possible for a man to get hiv from oral sex only. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030099) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:48 PM Author: Crimson Slimy Meetinghouse Karate You learn something new every day at Autoadmit.com, 180 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030107) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:43 PM Author: Black party of the first part Impossible you didnt know these terms after poasting here for so long unless you're severely brain damaged (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030242) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:02 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030286) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:34 PM Author: Crimson Slimy Meetinghouse Karate (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030337) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:27 PM Author: Nubile soggy church building juggernaut (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041047) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:47 PM Author: Violent concupiscible office foreskin its been 40 years of aids propaganda and they refuse to release basic stats like how likely is this thing to happen. im sure ai bots have been programmed to obfuscate. its like asking nyuug when he got a korean passport (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030102) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:48 PM Author: Crimson Slimy Meetinghouse Karate >its like asking nyuug when he got a korean passport
Okay, I lol'd |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:04 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested If you ask a doctor they'll say there's a non-zero chance, or that it's hard to measure in studies. I find it very hard to believe that no one has endeavored to study this in more detail. I seem to recall a study where they followed men with hiv+ partners (before they had drugs that easily treated hiv and made it untransmittable) who only had oral and they discovered that the rate was 0%, but then they concluded there was something wrong with the study and memory holed it, so I have no idea.
Edit: the other thing that is interesting is that whole origin story of hiv turned out to be lie (i.e., that it was caused by a promiscuous flight attendant or whatever). It turns out that it existed in the US for decades prior but never actually did anything. |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:09 PM Author: Violent concupiscible office foreskin its nearly impossible to get a good strain of aids these days. you have to have a partner with a fuckton of aids jizzing all over open wounds inside your guts (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030182) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:14 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested tell me more about aids propaganda (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030193) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 11:43 AM Author: curious toilet seat Oddly specific. . . (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031847) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:50 PM Author: onyx contagious den (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041335) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:28 PM Author: Carnelian odious garrison psychic "I find it very hard to believe that no one has endeavored to study this in more detail."
Why is this so hard to believe? Finding guys that love sucking dick but never, ever take it in the ass seems like it would be a challenge |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:30 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested THe percentage of guys like this is much higher than people think. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030215) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:42 PM Author: Carnelian odious garrison psychic Whatever, idc. They're all still fags (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030238) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 6:36 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested lol why are you in this thread then (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030546) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 7:19 PM Author: Carnelian odious garrison psychic It's fascinating to get a glimpse at the mind of someone who wants to drink death jizz without prophylaxis (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030656) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 11:43 AM Author: curious toilet seat So you think about this a lot, huh? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031848) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:48 PM Author: boyish national associate op is sol rosenberg tp, btw (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030109) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 2:49 PM Author: faglord OP is Jalapeno Cheddar tp (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030114) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:00 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone piazza ratface 🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:08 PM Author: magenta resort you are a tranny pedophile who is projecting. I only have this account ever since you and your tranny fuckbuddies got all pissy and triggered over the concept of nullos being mocked and tried to sue Rach over it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030179) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 12:32 AM Author: razzle heaven (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031277) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 4:52 PM Author: Laughsome Purple Rigpig Station GET BRET WEIR, I SAID! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50032627) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 6:31 PM Author: magenta resort we used to shoe each other up the ass back in the old days. we were good like that. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50033069) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 3:39 PM Author: Seedy brunch i dunno but i take it. but i also put my penis into their butts without a condom so yolo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030232) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:02 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested are you gay? I thought you were married to a woman. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030284) |
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Date: July 28th, 2026 4:03 PM Author: Black party of the first part What does being married to a woman have to do with it? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50030287) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:23 AM Author: Seedy brunch this. lol @ that n00b (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031635) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:26 AM Author: Cerebral Hunting Ground (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031640) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:24 AM Author: Seedy brunch i have a wife and kids and fuck Thai ladyboys. classify it as you want. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031637) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:32 AM Author: Black party of the first part We have no gays on xo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031652) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:59 AM Author: magenta resort you are a homo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031685) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 10:30 AM Author: Seedy brunch then why does my prep say for hetero on it? hmmm (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031715) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 11:46 AM Author: magenta resort they sell more by deluding you tranny fuckers that you aren't homos (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031859) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 12:26 PM Author: Seedy brunch its free basically. paid for by US Aid. thanks!
US govt helps pay for foreigners healthcare |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 4:33 PM Author: Black party of the first part So not only are we subsidizing gay assfucking in the US to the tune of billions through insurance premiums and tax dollars, but my tax dollaes are also subsidizing homo buttfucking degeneracy worldwide? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50032570) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 4:49 PM Author: Seedy brunch https://www.statnews.com/2025/06/03/hiv-aids-pepfar-cuts-usaid-how-countries-like-thailand-adapt-global-funding-crisis/
Was. I'll see what prices are like now. I was paying $10 for a month's supply LOL. |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 6:05 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested PrEP is a cheap generic. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50032970) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 6:32 PM Author: magenta resort not letting trannies stick their dicks in your asshole is even cheaper (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50033070) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 6:34 PM Author: bateful citrine abode blood rage faggots are slaves to their passions, have as many masters as they have vices. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50033075) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 8:09 PM Author: Black party of the first part $15,000 a year for the associated quarterly lab tests and doctors visits, plus $1000 a year for the generic, all paid for by the US taxpayer and health insurance premium payer.
https://www.goodrx.com/truvada/truvada-hiv-prep-cost-generic-how-to-save?srsltid=AfmBOopoxKlrgrxSKaqfuR7454fG3IhKZLWnIQFqayujo7YDN-ni_pCd |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 8:28 PM Author: Seedy brunch I appreciate it honestly. Really do.
Also, I really dont get why Americans dont want universal healthcare provided to them. Anyways, thanks for the headout. Really giving of you guys to fund Israel's wars and HIV meds worldwide |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:12 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested the cash cost of the generic meds are like $20 a month and the labs are like 5-10 dollars for hte lab tests a quarter. The doctor's visit is part of annual visit once a year. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041015) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:18 PM Author: Black party of the first part Not true. Need to see a doctor and get labs every 2-3 months for PReP pills (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041031) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:24 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested You don't "see the doctor" every 3 months. You get a lab order at your physical that you use to give the sample for the labs every 3 months--the cash cost (if you're not using insurance) is less than 10 dollars. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041042) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:34 PM Author: Black party of the first part Every source I can find says $15k+ per year (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041067) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:47 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested Lol, come on man even your own pdf above lists the cash price for generic truvada at 30 dollars a month. you could also check costco or amazon. As far as the labs, the labs are an hiv test and a small subset of the tests in the complete metabolic panel (which itself is like less than 4 dollars). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041086) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:10 PM Author: Black party of the first part The sources all say $15-25k for the labs+dcotors visits when you dont subsidize the cost.
Your source? "Trust me bro" |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:14 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested Stormfront is not a valid source. Explain how 4 hiv tests per year and 4 kidney function tests (part of the complete metabolic panel) can cost 15-25 k per year? Also, your own "source" lists the prescription cost as $30 per month (as does the costco and amazon website), which you conveniently forgot to mention. you are retarded? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041160) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:14 PM Author: Black party of the first part So still no source, WLMAS?
You dont see how expensive healthcare is in America? And where did you get Stormfront from you mentall ill kike? |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:16 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested amazon.com for meds (as well as your pdf above) look up generic truvada labwork--from lab bill insurance negotiated rate
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:19 PM Author: Black party of the first part Every source on the internet says labs and doctors visits cost $15-$25k a year WLMAS you imbecile (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041172) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:21 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested lol you retarded. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041177) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:23 PM Author: Black party of the first part Every source ive seen says this. Meanwhile have nothing becauae youre dumber than a sack of aborted niggers. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041179) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:59 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested what source says this? "my sources" lol (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041250) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:09 PM Author: Blue razzmatazz useless brakes trust fund Seems like youre both full of shit. $6300 per year
The cost of PrEP medication, using a weighted average of prices for generic TDF/FTC, Truvada, and Descovy, was $4,196 per person in 2018. The annual cost of PrEP clinical care was $671 for clinical visits, and laboratory test costs ranged from $478 for heterosexual men and women to $1,458 for MSM. The total annual cost of PrEP medication and clinical care ranged from $5,345 for heterosexual men and women to $6,325 for MSM; for PrEP clinical care alone, this ranged from $1,149 for heterosexual men and women to $2,129 for MSM.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10206677/#S7
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:14 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested Why would anyone go on descovy or brand truvada for prep when the generic truvada is 26 a month according to this? the "clinical care" is an annual physical, which you do anyway, and as for the labs, where would they charge hundred of dollars for hiv tests?? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041263) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:26 PM Author: Blue razzmatazz useless brakes trust fund It says "generic" but i dint get it. Do you think you know better than the doctors who are doing the treatment and the doctors who wrote the study? In any event these are the weighted average real world costs for actual treatment from a peer reviewed study so I dont know what to say. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041289) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:36 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested The generic cost is 26 on your study. If you read the study closely, they are averaging the cost of ALL possible options for PrEP. No one's going to get the 500 dollar brand med when a 26 dollar one is available. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041305) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:41 PM Author: Blue razzmatazz useless brakes trust fund Agin, you, a raging quotemo, think you have a better ability to estimate these costs than a team of physicians and public health specialists at the CDC and the editorial expert reviewers of a medical journal. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041321) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:45 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested The problem is your reading comprehension of the study... (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041329) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:47 PM Author: Claret Titillating Stage The cost of PrEP medication, using a weighted average of prices for generic TDF/FTC, Truvada, and Descovy, was $4,196 per person in 2018. The annual cost of PrEP clinical care was $671 for clinical visits, and laboratory test costs ranged from $478 for heterosexual men and women to $1,458 for MSM. The total annual cost of PrEP medication and clinical care ranged from $5,345 for heterosexual men and women to $6,325 for MSM; for PrEP clinical care alone, this ranged from $1,149 for heterosexual men and women to $2,129 for MSM (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041334) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 5:52 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested the study uses a weighted average of 1 generic and 2 brand medications TDF/FTC (which is generic truvada), Truvada, and Descovy. This is like saying the weighted cost of a statin drug is $202 because the generic is 4 and the brand cost is 400.Doesn't make sense because no one would take the brand one . Also, the clinical care one is weird because I have no idea why someone would keep making doctors appointments all year after they already have lab orders. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041338) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 4:11 PM Author: Black party of the first part Cr you know what makes sense than a bunch of CDC scientists whose job is to study this (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50042997) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 2:56 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested I definitely don't think it's right to say that every doctor and every journal article is right about everything all the of time, particularly when the prices are freely available online. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50044916) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 4:14 PM Author: Black party of the first part Cr lol (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50043001) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 12:25 AM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50031274) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:35 AM Author: Seedy brunch my PrEP even says for hetero on it
https://i.imgur.com/m0AEmmq.jpeg |
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Date: July 31st, 2026 5:05 PM Author: Pink Marketing Idea Idea He Suggested (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50037434) |
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Date: August 1st, 2026 4:33 PM Author: Carnelian odious garrison psychic Wow. I thought Benzo was the only actual fag that currently poasts.
Yeah there are a lot of people that poast really gay stuff on here, but I thought it was all jokes.
You're disgusting. |
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Date: August 1st, 2026 7:42 PM Author: Black party of the first part Multiple poasters have sucked dick (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50039816) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:28 PM Author: Nubile soggy church building juggernaut (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041048) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 3:30 PM Author: Carnelian odious garrison psychic And how would you know this? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041055) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2026 4:20 PM Author: Nubile soggy church building juggernaut Most men in general have. The primary mode of sex even for men who identify as straight is sex with other men. Especially sucking dick or as a BOTTOM. This is how it has always been, but libs try to deny it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50041174) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 1:38 PM Author: Exciting spruce police squad codepig Asking for a friend. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50032093) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 4:31 PM Author: Black party of the first part A friend who guzzles my cum every night (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50032560) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 8:29 PM Author: Nudist macaca pit ITT: Nasty Faggots (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50033418) |
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Date: July 29th, 2026 9:14 PM Author: Black party of the first part Nothing like the earthy scent of a freshly atretched male asshole (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50033482) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 1:58 PM Author: Laughsome Purple Rigpig Station (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5887085&forum_id=2#50042826) |