It's not a secret that they can start logging IP at the click of a button practically. All it takes is to unslash like two or three lines of PHP to start doing it.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15727478)

In order to IP ban someone, of course they have to record IPs for some length of time. I guess all the debate is how long "some length of time" is.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15727449)

I think that MOW and myself are both objectively "noteworthy" posters in that all XO regulars probably recognize us.

And this seems to be a concern to both of us. Given this board's history, I highly doubt that we're the only ones.

I would like to see rachmiel address this directly.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728427)

Bel doesn't have any information about alts. Apparently Colby hasn't been here for long enough to know that I'm religious about keeping poster info private.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728869)

The issue here is that contrary to your claim that you don't log IP addresses, it appears that you do.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728881)

How about IPs?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728882)

Rach, to be clear: I'm not accusing you of anything. In my own personal experience on the board, putting aside the SY episode (in which I supported you) you have always been good about this, and I think general bitching aside most people appreciate the fact that there are now mods who can - and will - remove outing information as it is posted.

I would personally just like clarification on your policies re: IP tracking, IP logging, alt tracking, etc. I would particularly like you to clarify exactly how much access bel has to your master account - does she know the password? Can she log on and see everything that you see if she wants? From our perspective, it seems like she has relatively unfettered control of it, and to a lot of posters I think that's a pretty scary thing because while we may trust you, the fact that you have chosen to share your life with a girl doesn't mean that we automatically trust her as well.

tyvmia.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728917)

When someone is banned, the message it displays only includes a variable passed by the client's browser which carries the ip address of the client. It is not recorded, but merely checked against my blacklist of ips to check if the user is banned. Nothing is recorded from the session, not even the ip.

Bel has no access to the database. She cannot run checks on passwords, nor can she see alternate monikers or anything, because she has no access. The veiled threats that she's made are little more than Arab false bravado, and that is the truth. However, I will apologize for once telling her that the source of 90% of the hate threads against her was the box, but it was the truth and I was getting tired of it myself. Maybe that's the reason for Colby's concern.

box seems to be really preoccupied with bashing bel and it's just funny to me, because all I ever saw of her before this was how she appeared in tinychat over and over and was visibly frustrated because people were paying attention to a lively bel instead of an angry girl. So don't worry Colby, I think you're just getting caught up in somebody elses little pissing contest.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729112)

The rest of what you said is sort of incoherent and doesn't really seem too accurate based on my observations, but OK!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729125)

2. you admitted that, in response, you got "frustrated" and started outing more posters

3. you evince the same sort of self-delusion and narcissism as bel, saying she's a "lively girl with arab bravado"

4. you constantly respond to questions about site management with lies and cover up with quasi-zen bullshit

5. you only came back here to defend your girlfriend

6. threats of outing and outing actions are normally taken far more seriously than spam, but you don't seem to be doing so in this case

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729235)

Serious Q:

I'm not trying to get dragged into this but if you sincerely believe that rachmiel is an untrustworthy outing fiend, why are you even still posting here?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729233)

Sarcasm aside, that was a serious question. If I didn't trust rach on some level I would go back to lurking and never post again.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729250)

ty.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729126)

Date: August 7th, 2010 5:48 PM

Author: rachmiel

It's a fair concern. However, nothing has changed. I don't log ips unless someone is spamming, and the sole purpose of that is to ban them. I have to manually turn on a setting to log their individual ip, and only their ip, and that is the extent of ip logging. If I didn't have that feature there would be no way to stop potential spam besides disabling registration for everyone. There is no web server ip logging, nothing of the sort, either.

When someone is banned, the message it displays only includes a variable passed by the client's browser which carries the ip address of the client. It is not recorded, but merely checked against my blacklist of ips to check if the user is banned. Nothing is recorded from the session, not even the ip.

Bel has no access to the database. She cannot run checks on passwords, nor can she see alternate monikers or anything, because she has no access. The veiled threats that she's made are little more than Arab false bravado, and that is the truth. However, I will apologize for once telling her that the source of 90% of the hate threads against her was the box, but it was the truth and I was getting tired of it myself. Maybe that's the reason for Colby's concern.

box seems to be really preoccupied with bashing bel and it's just funny to me, because all I ever saw of her before this was how she appeared in tinychat over and over and was visibly frustrated because people were paying attention to a lively bel instead of an angry girl. So don't worry Colby, I think you're just getting caught up in somebody elses little pissing contest.

(/thread.php?thread_id=#)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729129)

I was using a pumo.

After earl established that passwords are encrypted (in a thread *bel* made about me), her post in my parody thread was promptly edited.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729142)

then again, the people who ask for this information might also make it up to suit their needs

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729880)

she has also referenced my posting links to pictures of her, something which i only did on a pumo that had made about six posts total, none remotely revealing of my identity. (this pumo uses the same password as my "box" account.)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729268)

disclaimer: I have no access to IPs, nor insider info.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729265)

its frustrating because i know im a shitty poster most of the time as box but when i have like an anonymous, shticky account i make some pretty decent posts. but then i always end up outing myself/being outed hahaha. i guess ill just be shit foreverrrr :(((((

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729382)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729404)

When I watch movies I can turn it off.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729452)

ive fought with *bel* openly on my "box" moniker and ive created a bunch of threads of the "rating you based on the last four digits of your SSN (bel)" genre in the past week from this moniker, which i have freely admitted is me ("you can recognize me by the fibonnaci pumo"). in addition, i once (in early july) used a different punctuation moniker to post links to some pictures of *bel* that she had previously linked (note: i posted the first two i found by looking through old threads--i didnt intentionally choose unflattering ones) in the context of a discussion of what female posters looked like. in addition, you are aware of my relationship w/ *bel* on my currently active moniker--namely, im trying to push for openness and honesty about her powers on this board, because i, like many others, find it difficult to trust her, especially in a venue where anonymity is so valued.

its not like i have 4983048308 monikers that i use to hate on your gf. jfc.

also, i dont know what youre talking about re: tinychat. i was on tinychat at the same time as *bel* one time and i got off after 10 minutes because my wireless was being really shitty/laggy and i kept being 2 minutes behind the rest of the chat. so yeah i can imagine i appeared a little bit frustrated but not because people were paying more attention to *bel*, lol. ive appeared on tinychat a handful of times besides that, once with estrada and once while ruskie (whom ANY poster would agree is hotter than i am ;]) was present--never at the same time as *bel*.

i know i sound really defensive and i guess i AM being really defensive, but imo its understandable, given how youre twisting the facts to make it sound like i give more than a shit about your girlfriend. she should prob get over herself and stop dragging others down with her narcissism.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729203)

all i can say is that a lot of accusations made on this board--of "obsession", of "caring too much", of board activity revolving around "selfish agenda" and "ego"--seem to be incredibly projective and reflect pretty poorly on the accusers.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729317)

Did you read it?

Edit:

Date: August 1st, 2010 10:25 PM

Author: ,.,.,..,...,.....,........,.............,

/thread.php?thread_id=1371930&mc=198&forum_id=2

nobody is saying there is anything morally wrong, against board rules, or even against board SPIRIT about attacking people in this manner. many of us just think its bitchy as fuck.

(Why is this "box" character so angry?)

Date: August 1st, 2010 10:27 PM

Author: rachmiel

Well, thank you for showing me that. Interesting.

(Why is this "box" character so angry?)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729461)

If you were so concerned with board policy, you would have addressed it before I stepped into the picture. You would have demanded my attention, and answers along with it. Instead, you were focused on bashing the most superficial traits of another poster. It's your right in this misanthropic place to mock whomever you wish, but let's not pretend you're some kind of freedom fighter.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729490)

1) ive emailed you about board concerns before and not received a response

2) the issue here is that I DONT KNOW WHETHER TO TRUST YOU

yes, i dislike *bel*. my recent vocal dislike of her has been just as much about her NASTINESS toward posters like doob and twist as the potential outing implications of the shit shes said. i understand that its difficult for you to trace my anger (or whatever--"anger" is a bit extreme of a word and implies that im sitting here raging, not just mildly annoyed and frustrated by whats going on) because it has so many sources, but believe me when i say that this is largely about how i dont think the way this board is run is ideal. and this goes hand-in-hand with my dislike toward *bel*. i am wary of her as a powerful figure on this board, because i think shes an immature, vindictive, self-centered cunt.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729527)

twist was traditionally an asshole to bel. There are posts to back it up. So she said that he sounds funny, after he said that she looks funny. He can grow a pair and get over it, or quit talking shit if he can't take it.

I don't know the story with Doob, but I don't think he can honestly say that he hadn't talked shit about her behind her back before she lashed out at him. He'll try to play victim, but who knows what the truth is?

If bel was vindictive, she would be doing the things you're doing. But she's not. So I think you're the one projecting. You are a GIANT projection of neuroses.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729585)

Then when I told you via e-mail, copying someone's pictures (which, as a side note, are copyrighted, but that's not the point) so that you can re-post them is no less an invasion of their privacy than mentioning someone's quirky speech habits from RL, you acted as if you couldn't comprehend it.

Once again, if you cared so much about injustice , why was your energy directed toward mocking someone's appearance, rather than raising board policy issues? My only explanation is that you move from one thing to bitch about to another, because it is the essence of an unstable personality. You have to keep going and magnifying problems because you ARE obsessed, and the reason I resent it is because when other people hear it, they assume the worst.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729673)

how about the threads she garbaged? how were those founded? what i did was NOT spam. i posted one thread drawing attention to what she was doing; after that was garbaged, i posted another drawing attention to the fact that she was garbaging threads unfairly, and so on.

"Once again, if you cared so much about injustice , why was your energy directed toward mocking someone's appearance, rather than raising board policy issues? My only explanation is that you move from one thing to bitch about to another."

are you retarded or am i unclear (or both)? that is exactly what i just addressed. i have criticized many things about *bel*'s behavior because she has acted reprehensibly in many ways. again, if its easier for you not to filter through it all and to just accuse me of being "unstable" rather than address my and others' concerns, then okay, do that.

the thread in which i criticized *bel*'s appearance was reactive. i was genuinely upset about her nastiness toward other posters re: irl traits, so i posted a nasty thread about her in response (re: irl traits). i admitted this to you the other night: Why is this "box" character so angry?

it is worth noting, as well, that shes criticized my appearance many more times than i hers. she called me an "ugly old hag" yesterday (not sure she understands how age works). shes called me a "horseface" several times in the past, most notably when tnsj said that he, personally, found me the hotter of the two (edit: TNSJN link me to where you called the ugly horseface "hotter" for ex.). she said recently that i was ugly and would die alone, or something to that effect (edit: Today is the day I was going to propose to my future wife fwiw). and hey, while youre here, why dont you check to see if shes the OP of The Box is the ugliest female I've ever seen in my life ? ive always wondered.

so yes, we are petty board females; we attack one another's appearances. this is a minor point, here, and your choosing to focus on it (and acting as though this is MY main focus) is clearly an attempt to avoid having to think about or deal with more important issues. i am not surprised; ive never expected much from you.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15729750)

cr

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728481)

Then, I posted this thread: /thread.php?thread_id=1388311&mc=1&forum_id=5 which as you can see ended up in the garbage. Then, I posted /thread.php?thread_id=1388314&mc=1&forum_id=5 which was also garbaged immediately. I followed that with /thread.php?thread_id=1388316&mc=1&forum_id=5 and /thread.php?thread_id=1388319&mc=1&forum_id=5 (clearly, this isn't spam, as I wasn't flooding the board; I was reposting threads AFTER they had been garbaged [and garbaged unfairly]).

Then, my IP was banned for the night. Rach accused me in e-mail of "devot[ing]" my summer to BEL. Haha. I'm so OBSESSED!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728023)

2. lol @ using real email to sign up

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728069)

2. No, I e-mailed him. The banhammer screen said to contact him if you felt that you'd been banned unfairly, so I did!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728078)

The new, improved banhammer screen says:

http://img40.imageshack.us/i/fagl.png/

...and then your IP address.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728126)

to answer your question, they can log IP, and obviously do log IP from time to time.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1389607&forum_id=2#15728149)