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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:31 AM Author: heady gold faggot firefighter pit we all know that facebook is pure shit since about 2006, but what about Google? They failed with wave, and lost good will with the googizon deal. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885228) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:31 AM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant Orkut, Knol, Wave, Buzz, "Google Me," shitloads of failure form Google because they're all aspies and don't know what to do after you make a cool algorithm and make a large e-mail inbox. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885232) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:35 AM Author: topaz nofapping roast beef death wish titcr (xoxo's chorus of buy side pe bsd's) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885245) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:59 AM Author: Obsidian boyish house skinny woman Orkut is one of the most popular soc. networking sites on earth.
Chrome
Android
Buying Youtube
If that's failure, I'd love of shit load of fail. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:00 PM Author: heady gold faggot firefighter pit http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/14/1630239 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885365) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:02 PM Author: Obsidian boyish house skinny woman http://newteevee.com/2010/01/14/analyst-youtube-could-turn-a-profit-in-2010/ (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885389) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:03 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant The fact that Google is still operating Google Video says volumes about its business model. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885393) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:10 PM Author: big flesh piazza google video is now a search engine last i checked (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885457) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:12 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501# (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885477) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:20 PM Author: big flesh piazza The frontend has changed into a meta search engine. Hosting video data that few people access now incurs minimal cost for a company like Google. Everyone has migrated to Youtube. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885551) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:07 PM Author: heady gold faggot firefighter pit lol, could, maybe possibly, make a profits after 5 years after losing billions. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885422) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:08 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant tbf, that's how most units operate. but the fact that google hasn't figured it out faster is pretty shocking. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885436) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:11 PM Author: heady gold faggot firefighter pit yep, should have been profitable by 2008. in any case, google buying youtube turned youtube to shit. though, tbf, youtube would have died without google. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885462) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:02 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant And Yahoo! is huge in India. So? Chrome is doing well, but the future of HTML5 will determine the next great browser. Android is good so far, but again, we shall see. A lot of this is just "ZOMG we're open source love us!" I <3 my Android phone. But still not sold on this business model. |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:09 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Orkut's only lost market share since Google bought it. They haven't upgraded its systems adequately and I've read about sluggishness causing a migration to Facebook in its two strongholds, Indian and Brazil. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885444) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:54 AM Author: big flesh piazza lol do you have any idea how much more profitable facebook is now than it was 4 years ago (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885330) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:55 AM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant cr it's ridic (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885334) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:55 AM Author: topaz nofapping roast beef death wish facebook is a stupid fad. it adds no value and teenagers are fickle. it will be gone in 3 - 5 years. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885336) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:56 AM Author: big flesh piazza sorry you missed out on becoming a zynga millionaire bro (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885338) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:00 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant (GTO) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885362) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:59 AM Author: heady gold faggot firefighter pit OP refers to the product quality and brand image. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885357) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:11 PM Author: big flesh piazza I don't play the games or use the apps but it's undeniable genius that facebook has gotten millions of others to do it and spend money on facebook credits and lure in millions of advertising revenues as social media advertising really takes off (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885472) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:04 PM Author: awkward wonderful jew newt OP is Tom from Myspace (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885395) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 11:36 AM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Google seems to be fond of copying existing products, adding some nifty features along the way, in a scatterbrained attempt to steal market share. Maybe every company is guilty of this to some degree, but for some reason it annoys me with Google. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885252) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 10:28 PM Author: pearly alpha MSFT mastered that while destroying other companies (Lotus, WordPerfect, etc) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15890213) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:37 AM Author: gaped fuchsia volcanic crater clown i really don't get why it's so hard to make a decent social networking site when you have so many precedents with clear pros and cons. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885256) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 11:52 AM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) What do people want from a social network that they can't already get? Not a rhetorical question, I'm out of touch with it all. I don't even use FB. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885320) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:53 AM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant Better privacy, less crap clutter from app/games notifications (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885327) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 11:57 AM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) I guess the apps are what made Facebook so highly trafficked, so it was all about the almighty dollar. It seems like a circus when I look at that site. Did the site used to have better privacy features? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885343) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:00 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant Well it was closed to anyone but college students for a while. Now anyone can enter. And it default opts you in to a number of public settings when it makes changes. So yeah it's kind of shit. |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:12 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Well, there's probably room for a throwback to that golden age in another network that someone ought to develop. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885484) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:13 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant ...right, just no one's done it. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885487) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:14 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Maybe we ought to, here. Lolz. Like 10 of us. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885493) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:15 PM Author: heady gold faggot firefighter pit i dont see how such a venture would be profitable. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885503) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:17 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) That's never stopped us here. That's why maybe we're up to the task. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885519) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:18 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant If you don't flake out, man, you kind of flake out, like on XO, man. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885533) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:20 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Changing this place too much is a bad idea. I came to that conclusion a long time ago. Also, people are not exactly keen on advertising their love for this place to their friends. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885552) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:17 PM Author: big flesh piazza facebook couldn't pull a profit until it opened to the public and introduced apps, pages, like button, etc.
a closed social network limited to college students has very limited profit potential, if any at all. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:19 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant Obviously, very limited market. But if you make it the right niche and have it very private, people would open up more, and I think there'd be more receptiveness to "offers" on the site. You get local-based businesses pitching products and deals to local students, where an overwhelming number of them are on the network, it's an extremely focused marketing campaign. Bandwidth is cheap. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885545) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:20 PM Author: big flesh piazza friend is already making it: www.collegeonly.com |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:27 PM Author: excitant location stain LOL that's some swinging CGWBT (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885606) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:33 PM Author: big flesh piazza haha wow, she's new. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885663) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:32 PM Author: excitant location stain She is so hot do you know her? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885656) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:33 PM Author: big flesh piazza no. maybe i shouldn't have skipped the launch party. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885668) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:21 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Not everything is about profit potential. Sometimes making something great is rewarding in itself. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885559) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:24 PM Author: big flesh piazza Since you host a website you already understand the costs of providing servers and bandwidth. For a massive number of users on a multimedia heavy site, it's not cheap. Now add professional salaries for good developers into that, and you'll be paying hundreds of thousands/yr just to get the site working.
Obviously this will require you to take on funding of some sort, and angel and VC investors will only fund you if they think you'll make a profit.
Every now and then I get bored, buy a domain name, and churn out a niche joke site of some kind. That's rewarding, yes, and it's also virtually free to host on any shared account since I don't get that much traffic. But a social network type site will cost a ton of money, and bleeding thousands a month isn't rewarding when there's no light you're aiming for at the end of the tunnel. |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:26 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) You just need wealthy benefactors, or donations. Wikipedia is non-profit and funded by donations. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885598) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:32 PM Author: big flesh piazza Jimmy Wales initially funded Wikipedia as a side project of Bomis (which he founded), which made pretty good money off of advertising revenues.
Wikimedia Foundation's goals of openness, information access, collaboration and its audience make it particularly attratice for outside charitable funding. No one would fund a social network aimed at a revival of Facebook's college days as a charity project. |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:39 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Okay, so there's the wealthy benefactor.
And "a social network aimed at a revival of Facebook's college days" could have some pretty noble merits attached to it, too. So, I disagree with you. Also, your friend's site is obviously not being branded correctly for the purpose we've been talking about. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:48 PM Author: big flesh piazza Yeah, if you have rich people willing to throw their money at you for no expected return, totally go for it. That's the best kind of investment money you can get. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885819) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:00 PM Author: Obsidian boyish house skinny woman Lolz.
People like less privacy. You may not like your page being less private, but I bet you love when you can view a hot chick's pics without being her friend, right?
And there's only apps/games clutter because eveyone plays them. They're one of the main reasons ppl stay on FB all day. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:03 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant Are you 17? In 2005, the reason everyone was so obsessed with FB was because it was safe, private, closed, and you could stalk hot chicks. Now that it's wide open, it keeps the proles there by playing shit games. The hotness content of pics has dropped 10-fold since it's opened up. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:10 PM Author: Obsidian boyish house skinny woman "Are you 17? In 2005, the reason everyone was so obsessed with FB was because it was safe, private, closed, and you could stalk hot chicks. "
This isn't 2005 anymore. Students at elite colleges are no longer the main demographic. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:11 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant This was fucking in response to "why people don't like Facebook anymore." You're right, it's not the demographic, idiot, but this is why 18-25 don't really like it as much or use it in the same way, and what a competing product might have to offer. I'm not saying FB isn't a pretty brilliant fucking company that is dominant. I'm saying, it has flaws. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:16 PM Author: Obsidian boyish house skinny woman "but this is why 18-25 don't really like it as much or use it in the same way"
Any proof to back this up? |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:18 PM Author: buck-toothed legal warrant The far, far fewer slutty hot drunk pics that show up today than were there 5 years ago. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885527) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:19 PM Author: Obsidian boyish house skinny woman They've increased on my feed. Sorry about your tiny pink prudish FB friends, bro. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885541) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:33 PM Author: duck-like associate Your friends are now past the age where they post drunken bikini pics. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885662) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:11 PM Author: Frum Marvelous Rehab Dammit, I never stalked a hot chick on Facebook. I used to still ask them for their numbers and call them.
Knowing what I know now, it would have been so easy to just meet a girl at a party, and then post something stupid on her wall, and then rail her the next week. DAMMIT!!!!!!!111!!!!!! |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:37 AM Author: Lilac vivacious range if they have, they can just use google maps to find the way back LOLOLOLOL 180 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885258) |
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:26 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) underrated (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885605) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:27 PM Author: Histrionic property i laughed (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885613) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:33 PM Author: Frum Marvelous Rehab I killed myself after reading this. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885667) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 11:42 AM Author: glittery garnet stag film national security agency It's just the way silicon valley is. You make a revolutionary product, you use the revenues extracted from that product to make some pretty good products, then you get old and out of touch. There's a MUCH bigger element of luck in internet/software startups than there is in other businesses. The only guy in the valley who stays fresh again and again is steve jobs, but that's mainly because he's in hardware and knows how to make things look way sexier than anything the competitors have. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885277) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:24 PM Author: Histrionic property eh, they have that pet project thing on Fridays where everyone can develop whatever crap idea they have. Allows for plenty of turnover - not everything is a success.
I, for one, thank the lord for googlemaps everyday. I don't know how profitable it is yet, but it sure as hell as potential to be. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:34 PM Author: Frum Marvelous Rehab I think they should get a Nobel for Google Maps and Streetview. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885674) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:50 PM Author: Histrionic property It worries me. They save so much information.
Once I was in the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin, and I did a googlemaps search from my smartphone. A year later, in NYC, with a new smartphone, I was setting up my googlemaps location, and it suggested that place in the middle of Wisconsin.
Creepy. |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 12:40 PM Author: bat shit crazy dashing hell Google is definitely not as solid as some people think they are. I use some of their API's, and a lot of it is poorly written as hell.
Facebook is just really shady. The way they set up their control panel is ridiculous.
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https://www.patreon.com/iamgay Date: August 26th, 2010 12:43 PM Author: rachmiel (white knighting) Basing your business model so heavily on new media advertising is probably unwise. People have been developing "immunities" to new forms of advertising and it becomes progressively less effective. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15885772) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 8:32 PM Author: lascivious national (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15889147) |
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Date: August 26th, 2010 10:35 PM Author: motley deranged office windowlicker Chrome OS is going to revolutionize the way we use computers. Definitely not a failure. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15890284) |
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Date: August 29th, 2010 6:17 PM Author: heady gold faggot firefighter pit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1405688&forum_id=2#15913736) |