Date: January 28th, 2012 11:33 AM Author: Aqua Nubile Principal's Office Stock Car
Basically: Because God didn't magically help her mom when she was sick, she decided she was an atheist and now none of her classmates or alumni can believe in god either or even keep a relic of the high school's past. IDK, seems to me that her actions are a bit hypocritical and tantamount to forcing the school to endorse atheism.
Going to some power Episcopal church/Jewish temple with all sorts of preftigious congregation members is one thing. But these aren't the types of "religious" person who are likely to care too much about the separation of church and state. If anything they're likely to sympathize with the student in this Rhode Island case. These are the types of churches which make clear note in the church historical timeline of the first same-sex marriage performed by them and stuff like that.
The ones most likely to be butthurt about separation of church and state are the Megachurchers in ARE COUNTRY and the working class social conservatives.
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:41 AM Author: Chartreuse ungodly kitchen generalized bond
How is having a prayer etched into the wall not forcing Christianity on everyone? Can you explain that not just to the atheists, but the muslims, jews, hindus, etc. Either everyone gets equal representation or nobody gets any. You can see which is more feasible.
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:48 AM Author: Insanely creepy boiling water location
your slippery slope argument is slippery
why don't we take books that make religious arguments out of public libraries bro? can you beleive we're spending money on that shit? fucking terrible, right bro?
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:14 PM Author: marvelous silver public bath
prayers don't belong in public schools, irrespective of whether or not the dood above said "Christianity" or whatever other shitty religion you want to insert. Sorry your bronze age beliefs are now openly mocked and thrown out of schools like so much trash.
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:23 PM Author: marvelous silver public bath
I acknowledged that you are merely quibbling with the specificity of the above statement, while at the same time saying that both the original statement and your criticism miss the larger point.
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:37 AM Author: Insanely creepy boiling water location
pretty alpha. someone really needs to do something about those chinese proverbs too. too much tinge of religion for my taste. and those native american sayings are downright offensive.
Date: January 28th, 2012 12:16 PM Author: up-to-no-good corn cake
someone needs to tell this attn whoring cunt that DECADES of students have gone through that school and that many many hundreds of those students were just as atheist as she is. but they didnt choose to pee in everybody's cornflakes and to act super selfrighteous about their act of peeing saying "my pee is GOOD for you bc im protecting are precious constitution"
this girl is symptomatic of the modern day libpedo creed: dont worry about whether what youre doing is good or bad. just do it.
Date: January 28th, 2012 12:20 PM Author: honey-headed toaster karate
Totally coherent. Dumb cunt Jessica Ahlquist thinks she's too SPECIAL to have to LOOK at harmless sayings. No doubt her fuckup mommy (Heidi Ahlquist) and faggot daddy (Mark J. Ahlquist) are responsible for their daughters inflated sense of entitlement.
Date: January 28th, 2012 12:26 PM Author: clear hospital
Are you referring to Jessica Ahlquist of Cranston, Rhode Island? The militant atheist who alleged a violation of the first amendment because she craved publicity, and then complained when godfearing people exercised their right to free speech by publishing her mailing address?
Date: January 28th, 2012 12:31 PM Author: honey-headed toaster karate
Yes indeed, I mean that dumbcunt Jessica Ahlquist of Cranston, Rhode Island? The militant atheist who alleged a violation of the first amendment because she craved publicity, and then complained when godfearing people exercised their right to free speech by publishing her mailing address and phone number 14 Mount View Drive Cranston, RI 02920 (401) 270-3116...
And here's the screenshot of the worthless whore Jessica Ahlquist whining on her twitter (@jessicaahlquist)
LOL @ this dumbcunt Chelsea Leyden Just met @jessicaahlquist. She came into my Starbucks and I made sure she knew she has total support.
Yes indeed, I mean that dumbcunt Jessica Ahlquist of Cranston, Rhode Island? The militant atheist who alleged a violation of the first amendment because she craved publicity, and then complained when godfearing people exercised their right to free speech by publishing her mailing address and phone number 14 Mount View Drive Cranston, RI 02920 (401) 270-3116...
And here's the screenshot of the worthless whore Jessica Ahlquist whining on her twitter (@jessicaahlquist)
LOL @ this dumbcunt Chelsea Leyden Just met @jessicaahlquist. She came into my Starbucks and I made sure she knew she has total support.
i don't understand how people confuse religious freedom with freedom from religion. the prayer itself is totally innocuous. i'd advocated removing the "heavenly father" from the beginning and "amen from the end. this would leave:
grant us each us each day the desire to do our best, to grow mentally and morally as well as physically, to be kind and helpful to our classmates and teachers, to be honest with ourselves as well as others. help us to be good sports and smile when we lose as well as when we win. teach us the value of friendship. help us to always conduct ourselves so as to bring credit to cranston high school west.
Date: January 28th, 2012 2:25 PM Author: Fishy sandwich
Greetings,
The second I have any pull over an adcom, I will make sure this type of PS will get trashed. The first dood, bully for him. The twentieth BITCH WOMYN is an unoriginal, not worthy of the H name.
Date: January 28th, 2012 1:05 PM Author: Erotic plaza cumskin
Not to be all nostalgic and "when I was young we walked 5 miles to school in the snow uphill both ways"... but when I was a kid, if I said to my parents, there's this shit up at school and I find it offensive their response would be "life's not fair Lima, deal with it and do your homework" not "OMG honey get the number of the local ACLU chapter".
Date: January 28th, 2012 1:57 PM Author: lavender senate
These are the doctors defending the psychiatric ward. OMG THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR SO LONG Y R SO OFFENSIVE. Give me a fucking break, I don't give a fuck about people who still believe in this pile of shit, or any of the butthurt faggots who think that it matters whether there is a prayer on the wall.
Date: January 28th, 2012 2:26 PM Author: carnelian dashing chapel
Just another case where we blow minority rights way out of proportion and allow them to run roughshod all over the rights of the majority, which should be superior in the FIRST PLACE.
Date: January 28th, 2012 2:33 PM Author: honey-headed toaster karate
Jessica Ahlquist, and her sister, Julia Ahlquist (also a cunt, no doubt), arrive for classes at Cranston West High School at about 7:30 a.m. Tuesday. In back is the school resource officer's police car, which is there every day.
Date: January 28th, 2012 2:42 PM Author: honey-headed toaster karate
Can you say "PUBLIC FIGURE"? HTH
Besides, once anyone finds out how bitchslapped BIG TITTIED Heide Iravani and LYING CUNT Brittan Heller got at our hands, they'll quickly nix the lolsuit idea.
In 2007, Reputation Defender egged on two Yale women to sue AutoAdmit and several of its posters, claiming to have suffered extreme emotional distress as a result of cyberbullying. (Srsly). In an effort to shield their identities, the Yale girls' lawyers dubbed them Doe I and Doe II. (The girls' names (Brittan Heller and Heide Iravani) are now in the public domain--see Epilogue, below.)
Probably the only negative consequence of the LOLsuit was the chilling effect it had on the board: many established posters, now twenty-something attorneys, were afraid to be discovered frequenting a forum characterized by the media as racist, misogynist, etc. While the exodus of this particular group of people would have improved the overall atmosphere and lowered the virgin quotient of almost any other online community, AutoAdmit proved the exception. Remaining posters black person, confuse its and it's, and spend time editing grammar on ED.
Benefits of the LOLsuit included:
* The LonelyVirgin Letter which was spammed to the entire fucking faculty of the Yale Law School. The letter warned professors that Brittan Heller was a lying bitch and that Heide Iravani owned ponies bought with money pilfered from the World Bank. (Srsly.)
* A federal district court was forced to adjudicate claims against parties named :D, Dirty Nigger, and HitlerHiterHitler. (SRSLY.) It is widely speculated that current poster 8==D~~ created his moniker solely for the purpose of posting tortious content and, thus, increasing the odds that "8==D~~" will one day be named in a lawsuit.
* Brittan Heller is rumored to have learned NOT to blather in interviews about genocide, bloated bodies in open graves, feminazi shit, etc.
* Heide Iravani is rumored to have stopped dressing like such a slut. While this is a downside for those posters desperate enough to have fapped to her, it is probably a good thing for retailer Forever 21 and for the Beijing platinum powerseller "Totarry Authentic Seven Jeans For Idiots": both merchants had begun to run low on inventory.
Epilogue: The following year, AutoAdmit's Education Director spread lulz moar widely by COUNTERsuing Reputation Defender and the Yale bitches. (SRSLY.) It's rumored that this is why lying bitch Brittan Heller fled to Korea and then Afghanistan. Since Heller is sure to be Ding!fagged if she ever petitions the Character and Fitness boards for a law license, she's trying to begin a new career as a fuckup Foodie at thesuitcasechef.com with her faggoty husband, Nathaniel Gleicher.
Heide Iravani is rumored to be judgment-proofing the ponies procured by her father with stolen World Bank money (Srsly!)
On August 9, 2009, Autoadmit trolls cheered when their work was cited in the Weddings section of the New York Times. Srsly:
I'm a hardcore atheist too bro and I don't really care about this thing... if it was just hanging in some corner of my school or my kid's school, it wouldn't occur to me to bitch, much less sue. But it starts out "Dear Heavenly Father" and ends "Amen." It's a religious prayer. The preposterous reaction of the papists proves it out... they aren't pissed b/c it's some tradition, they're pissed b/c they want their prayer in the school. I'm happy to err way on the side of keeping religion out of government and out of public schools.
Yeah, that's why I said "hanging in the corner." I don't get your point. It wasn't flaunted, which is why personaly it wouldn't get my hair up, but it was on public display.
It has a clear religious implication. I wonder why nobody suggested removing the Heavenly Father thing or the Amen? The school could have probably won its case if it did that. Why didn't they? Because they are a bunch of sectarian worshipers who refuse to admit they have just a little bit of their religion in the local high school.
Yeah, this. I was expecting it to be some sort of uber-Catholic thing but other than the reference to "Our Heavenly Father" it's pretty credited and could be in place for any Judeo-Christian religion. The prayer also takes up eight feet of space. EIGHT FEET. It's not like there are crosses all over the school, 20-foot statues of the Ten Commandments in the parking lot, or a mural of Jesus behind the football field's end zone.
Date: January 28th, 2012 10:57 PM Author: Insanely creepy boiling water location
lol just lol at reading the first amendment to make this illegal. nevermind that the people who wrote it wouldn't have thought it was wrong, it's clearly not establishing a religion. meanwhile, there are COURTS in this country with "In God We Trust" on the wall. lolololololol at angry ACLU lesbians.
Date: January 28th, 2012 10:59 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone goal in life sneaky criminal
you must not have taken con law, did you? Courts (including SCOTUS) are very resistant to any sort of forced indoctrination at school, no matter how slight. And surprise, surprise, the court in this case agrees with me.
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:30 PM Author: Insanely creepy boiling water location
The best part of this thread is that I'm the only one who actually took a position and every last one of you fucking cowards just called me an idiot and couldn't say boo about an argumen. lol. I forgot how stupid you pumos are sometimes.
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:02 PM Author: Insanely creepy boiling water location
Yes, decades of shitty precedent. You and the pumo seem to think it's a brilliant argument that because there's precedent these decisions aren't fucking stupid.
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:06 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone goal in life sneaky criminal
this isn't even an argument. The reality is the precedent is what it is. Do you really believe Scalia and Thomas and all them who explicitly say as long as the government doesn't literally establish a state church anything goes?
Date: January 28th, 2012 11:12 PM Author: Insanely creepy boiling water location
Did you really just point out that me calling you out on simply citing precedent isn't an argument? Is this where I say that you pointing out that I pointed out that you haven't made an argument isn't even an argument? Your move.
Do you really think that a banner on the wall is anywhere close to establishing a religion? Do you? Can you stand there with a straight face and say that objecting to this isn't fucking ridiculous? School prayer requires active participation, at least. We're not even talking about using public funds to erect a NEW monument. That someone would object to this is nothing short of embarassing and finding legal justification for it in the constitution is preposterous.
And you seem to think that because your papist panties are in a wad it makes the long accepted law of this land wrong or that citizens should just sit down and eat it when you're only kinda sorta stepping over the chruch/state line.
Why don't you work to amend the Constitution bro, if you're so right I'm sure it won't take long.
That's the point, dickwad. You and the townfolk are pissed because you had just a little bit of your religion hanging in the gym or whatever, poking everyone in the eye, and you got called out. You're MAD A FUKK because you don't have that small part of the public school reserved for your personal religious beliefs any more.
I am so amused at your anger bro, I can't even tell you. LOL
Date: January 30th, 2012 10:28 AM Author: green dragon
MFCR. Apparently those silly folks who wrote the First Amendment didn't think there was any problem with starting every session of Congress with a prayer. The PC pricks get all bent out of shape about something the Founders would find entirely acceptable.
I'm enjoying my front-row seat to the destruction of the Republic...
In modern nations, nonreligion and the acceptance of evolution become popular when the middle class majority feels sufficiently secure and safe, thanks to low income inequality, universal health care, job and retirement security, and low rates of lethal crime; this has occurred to greater and lesser degrees in most first-world countries, from Japan to Scandinavia (1–6). Religion thrives when the majority seek the aid and protection of supernatural powers because they are impoverished, as in the third- and second-world countries or, in the case of the United States (the most religious and creationist first-world country), because the majority of Americans fear losing their middle-class status as a result of limited government support, high levels of social pathology, and intense economic competition and income disparity (1–6). Prosperous modernity is proving to be the nemesis of religion.
Date: January 30th, 2012 10:34 AM Author: onyx death wish voyeur
Religion thrives when the majority seek the aid and protection of supernatural powers because they are impoverished, as in the third- and second-world countries or, in the case of the United States (the most religious and creationist first-world country), because the majority of Americans fear losing their middle-class status as a result of limited government support, high levels of social pathology, and intense economic competition and income disparity (1–6).
Sounds a little biased/bigoted for scientific research. E.g.,:
"because the majority of Americans fear losing their middle-class status as a result of limited government support,"
How did they "discover" this?
Hello Mr. Redneck, do you fear losing your middle-class status as a result of limited government support?
Date: January 30th, 2012 1:13 PM Author: marvelous silver public bath
ITT: mad religiotards are mad. sorry your shitty prayer is going to get taken down. LOL at people defending prayers hanging in public schools. Gas yourselves.
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:30 PM Author: Fishy sandwich
Greetings,
I'm sorry, I thought atheism by definition was a statement of belief. "Lack of belief is not a belief" is precisely what Christian fundies say to argue the Constitution doesn't protect atheism. You're supporting that argument?!
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:29 PM Author: marvelous silver public bath
no, it's not. Talk to any reasonably intelligent atheist, and they will be very clear to make this point since it pre-emptively destroys the theistic claim that atheism is a belief just like theirs. Not collecting stamps is not a hobby. Health is not a disease.
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:31 PM Author: marvelous silver public bath
no, it is the rejection of theistic claims as not meeting their burden of proof. Atheism claims nothing. Theism makes the positive claim to knowledge. a-bigfootism is not a belief.
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:06 PM Author: plum bateful range
lol
Try this. I'll even do you the courtesy of links:
"In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively."
"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities."
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:20 PM Author: cerise mewling address
"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief..." after that you can say anything you want. you just proved yourself wrong.
i'm not surprised by your attitude though. i've seen you post often before and no matter how many of the multitude of times you've been wrong, you've never once shown any capability of admitting that you were.
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:38 PM Author: cerise mewling address
there are an infinite amount of claims/beliefs that can be false. my rejection of them does not add to my sum total of beliefs which would otherwise, in turn, also be infinite.
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:59 PM Author: plum bateful range
When you say, "rejection" what do you mean? I take it to mean that you believe those claims are false, as opposed to merely having no opinion one way or another regarding their truth or falsity.
Rejecting the claims you know about does not make your beliefs infinite, unless you know about all potential claims.
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:03 PM Author: cerise mewling address
you remind me of the guy that everyone knows of irl. he talks a lot of bullshit that never makes any logical sense but he does it so often that he starts to believe it himself.
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:25 PM Author: cerise mewling address
i mean how much longer do you expect me to respond to a monkey? only i think a more apt 4 letter precursor to the second part of your moniker would be "Dumb."
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:13 PM Author: Cream Piazza Main People
Someday, she will go back to being a religious fundie. It's a mindset. Real atheists don't do this. Real atheists don't care.
However, for the duration of her experimental stint as an atheist, I will support her. As long as it takes no major effort on my part. We need the atheist fundies to get shit done. Real athesists never put in teh effort.
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:17 PM Author: plum bateful range
"“Our Heavenly Father,” the prayer begins, “grant us each day the desire to do our best, to grow mentally and morally as well as physically, to be kind and helpful.” It goes on for a few more lines before concluding with “Amen.” "
Date: January 30th, 2012 2:47 PM Author: Contagious indigo state headpube
As the unathletic valedictorian of my high school class, I am offended that the prayer makes a special entreaty for athletic prowess but neglects to ask the Heavenly Father for His help in mastering calculus and AP European history.
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:02 PM Author: internet-worthy cracking school police squad
Lol, seriously.
The fact that anyone would spend so much time and effort on this is mind boggling. Go be a kid. Go learn something. Go help people or start a small business.
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:48 PM Author: talented native trust fund
TBF, I agree 100% in principle. I'm for separation of Church and State. Or I was at least until it became separation of Christianity from State (but all other religions can do whatever).
Having dealt with the ACLU (or been ignored by them completely) on legit civil rights issues, I know full well that they're anti-Christian media whores who are looking for precedents and liberal media exposure in slam dunk cases (they really only take easy ones, with picture or videos). They also seem to have a bizarre hardon for pedos.
If the kids were Muslims instead of a Christians (and there were photos), rather than file a lawsuit, they'd bend over backwards and high five them and sue the school for hate crimes.
Date: January 30th, 2012 5:30 PM Author: marvelous silver public bath
"I'm for separation of Church and State. Or I was at least until it became separation of Christianity from State (but all other religions can do whatever)."
yeah, dude, Islam, Hinduism and Judaism are absolutely overrunning our public schools. Solid point, bro.
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:09 PM Author: Racy Gas Station
lol, the alumni have it right:
Many alumni this week said they did not remember the prayer from their high school days but felt an attachment to it nonetheless.
“I am more of a constitutionalist but find myself strangely on the other side of this,” said Donald Fox, a 1985 graduate of Cranston West. “The prayer banner espouses nothing more than those values which we all hope for our children, no matter what school they attend or which religious background they hail from.”
Brittany Lanni, who graduated from Cranston West in 2009, said that no one had ever been forced to recite the prayer and called Jessica “an idiot.”
“If you don’t believe in that,” she said, “take all the money out of your pocket, because every dollar bill says, ‘In God We Trust.’ ”
Date: January 30th, 2012 3:55 PM Author: talented native trust fund
TBF, articles like these point out that after gays, atheists are probably the most hated group in america.
Of course, that's probably because they're mostly smug jerks who think they're smarter than people for realizing OFS, there's no God. And like fundies, boy do they love to evangelize.
Heads up jerkoffs, most of us realized that at about 9 and had the good sense to realize that people's idiotic beliefs in what some fairly sensible Jew w/great abs and low bodyfat did have virtually no bearing on their actual behavior. Human weakness suggests needs for a belief in something greater. Is there anything? Who knows? Probably not, but who cares?
So Jesus wasn't Aristotle or Alexander the Great. Still, he said some nice things and helped out some bros. At least he didn't fuck 9 year olds and write a shitty book that wasn't even in order like that Arabian pedophile bastard.