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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: Zombie-like prole Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#23393887) |
Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) just walk outside bro (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48969812) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48969813) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48985020) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48997575) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49064860) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49070377) |
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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49077411) |
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49084518) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49098591) |
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49101058) |
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49128622) |
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49141968) |
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49143857) |
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49156580) |
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49172980) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49421817) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49421862) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49421881) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49422254) |
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49424474) |
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49425035) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49425543) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49427654) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49436681) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49436785) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49439167) |
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49441985) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49454945) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49455274) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49457596) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49458108) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49461550) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49463581) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49464738) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49484240) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49484832) |
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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:20 PM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49492316) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 12:55 AM Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49493000) |
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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:18 PM Author: Coral big center mad cow disease Nigga WTF do you know about this? Why are you so fucking obsessed with whites? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49995563) |
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Date: July 12th, 2026 11:21 PM Author: nyuug cumskins dont make trillions of threads about asians though for sure (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49995567) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM Author: Submissive karate jewess Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence? yes |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM Author: clear kitty Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48969860) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM Author: Submissive karate jewess (ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48969863) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM Author: clear kitty They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48969954) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Submissive karate jewess read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48971066) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM Author: grizzly den Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49065184) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: obsidian excitant hissy fit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49098592) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: Stirring angry party of the first part (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49098608) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: Brussels Sprout (Apropos of the Wet Snow) what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48970037) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM Author: spruce sandwich cq (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48970041) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM Author: Pearly beady-eyed macaca I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48985033) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM Author: grizzly den teen black death survivors were the original Boomers (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49065206) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM Author: Multi-colored amethyst location sneaky criminal (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49518664) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: lex i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#48997602) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM Author: samoth Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49065026) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM Author: floppy opaque main people parlour really depended on the country, the region, and the lord removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: talented new version It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49421865) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: Poppy Theater it was a nanny state. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49458174) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: talented new version Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49495273) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM Author: floppy opaque main people parlour actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Gay stock car 13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails
you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Gay stock car "Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#49838410) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2026 9:35 PM Author: talented new version The feudal sentiment par excellence is the sentiment of the value and dignity of the individual man. The feudal man lived as a free man; he was master in his own house; he sought his end in himself; he was (and this is a scholastic expression) propter seipsum existens: all feudal obligations were founded upon respect for personality and the given word. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2#50088178) |