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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:09 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story not a big deal to rudolph but a big deal to a shitlawyer making 60k. i am bad.
advice on this hand.
I hold AdKd big blind. 3 Limpers (2-5 blinds), then small blind limps. I raise to 25 total. the 3 limpers fold, then small blind calls. Flop 3h 6d 6s. small blind checks i bet 30 and he calls. turn is Qd. he checks, i check. river is 3d. He bets out 80. do you call? (all the info i have on this player is that he is decent) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:11 AM Author: Underhanded kitty famous landscape painting idk those are tuff. im no pro but depends on person im palying against. if i have a decent stack sure i'll bet it or i will to see if i can push him out. but hard to put him on hand and sucks that you don't have anything. if he is calling you he probably has a piece of that flop unless 45 and even then. idk if it were mean i wold fold because i'm kind of a tigh player why bother putting in a lot of money with ace high. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550038) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:14 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story i have nut flush, it was kind of a tight table but this was probably the 20th hand i was there (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550058) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:16 AM Author: Underhanded kitty famous landscape painting LOL
didn't even notice diamonds. i just saw rainbow flop. but he probably PWNEd you with a 6 or 3 right lil brehlet? you shouldn't even have been in the hand |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:20 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story yes he had a 6 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550083) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:24 AM Author: Underhanded kitty famous landscape painting sucks breh. hard to get out of it at the end. i may play it diff but no harm necessarily in betting flop. but after river probably one of those you have to let go even if you have an inkling you mnight have him beat. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550113) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:31 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain pwn3d (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550146) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:23 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story i basically feel like i should have folded river but i cant justify why i feel this way (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550107) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:25 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain you should have barreled the turn (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550118) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:26 AM Author: Underhanded kitty famous landscape painting i just try to get awayt from those hands early to avoid tthese situations.
but in a hand like that i just found since i mean why risk it when if he's calling on flop he probably has a piece of it, yes? since few draws and he was small blind. idk. seems to me i would just expect him to have the boat |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:28 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain it's hard to put a 6 or 3 in this guy's range unless he's a total idiot (calling a 5x raise oop). (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550127) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:29 AM Author: Underhanded kitty famous landscape painting that's true but it seems a lot of people paly with shit like tha tin the blinds. i just get out since why risk a ton of money on a hand i don't like. idk (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550132) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:30 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain i feel like the river donk is a lot more likely to be a bluff than a made hand. based on the math it's a pretty easy call imo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550139) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:28 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story this is probably the correct analysis. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550130) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:30 AM Author: Underhanded kitty famous landscape painting fwiw i'm drunk (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550136) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:32 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story so am i, i wouldnt play 2-5 on a 60k salary if i wasnt (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550150) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:33 AM Author: Underhanded kitty famous landscape painting i've played it on zero salary
thanks PAYE/Obama! |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:34 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain what? 2-5 isn't that big. a bankroll of 20 buy-ins should limit your risk of ruin assuming you're a winning player. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550156) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:35 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story im a break even or slightly positive 1-3 player. at 2-5 im probably a loser.
and i dont play often, i have no bankroll, just a bank account |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:43 AM Author: medicated azure bawdyhouse where do you play with these weird blind structures (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550176) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:52 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain wtf? 1-3 and 2-5 are the most commonly used blinds for nlhe cash games. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550178) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 5:38 AM Author: outnumbered aphrodisiac halford you are horrible at poker and misplayed the hand on every street. The fact that you could even consider folding the nut flush in this spot is just shockingly bad. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550196) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:45 AM Author: brilliant balding antidepressant drug If you're Mr Super Tight Dan Harrington Jedi you fold here. For normal people you obviously pay it off, but this is a textbook example of why you have to make the continuation bet on the turn in position. The bet on the turn probably only saves you like $30 at most, but it also lets you fold to his raise on the river and not show. There are 8 cards left in the deck where you pwn him and only the one where he's got you by the balls, so obviously this is a tough river.
If you are going the Dan Harrington route you also shouldn't be putting in a 5x raise pre-flop with four callers ahead of you in the BB, because you have to assume there could be multiple dead As and/or Ks in their hands. If you want to raise to drive people out 4x does the job and you limit your damage in each subsequent round of betting if the flop goes badly. |
Date: July 5th, 2013 4:13 AM Author: medicated azure bawdyhouse yeah i call, possibly even raise (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550052) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:14 AM Author: Alcoholic pit codepig yeah i think so. i suck though (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550056) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:22 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain do you think it's bullshit that men are charged $10k to enter the world series of poker 'ladies event' while women are charged $1k? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550100) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:23 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story i dont care about tournament poker, too much luck (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550101) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:24 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain but as a shitlawyer, are there any legal issues with this set up? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550115) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:25 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story i defend car crashes bro (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550122) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:31 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain u went to law school tho (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550145) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:32 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story man i had terrible luck. a few hands after this i limped small blind with 2 other limps. big blind checked. flop 9 7 6, i had 9-6, limper bets 15, i raise to 45, he pushes (30 more). he has 9-7.
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:32 AM Author: blue frisky newt stain lol why such short stacks? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550151) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 4:34 AM Author: exhilarant frum background story he was a loose caller, had lost a few pots (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550157) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 5:06 AM Author: fragrant iridescent shrine Tough place to be. He could have a weak/weak-mid pocket pair which could be compatible with the line he took. He could also be 45 draw that missed and he wants to represent a flush that hit.
Or he could have had a six at the flop.
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:31 AM Author: sexy canary cruise ship sandwich Sorry man but in a 1/2 game the river is an easy fold unless you have specific info that villain likes to bluff. Not too many low-limit players are firing $80 river bluffs.
EDIT: Reading comp fail for me. In a 2/5 game I think some players are more likely to bluff on a board like that after you check the turn. It really just comes down to how tight and bluffy your villain is. I still think it's a fold more often than not but there are lots of villains i call river against. Also, bet a little more on flop. |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:32 AM Author: outnumbered aphrodisiac halford it was a 2-5 game (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550398) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:49 AM Author: Laughsome brunch place of business you needed to bet into the draw on the turn. make him think you hold a 6 or 3 and aren't thinking of diamonds. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550430) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:57 AM Author: sexy canary cruise ship sandwich There's not too many hands that OP would raise with pre-flop that contain a 3 or a 6, so it's difficult to represent that. You might be able to get 77-TT to fold out with a strong turn bet depending on villain and OP's image. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550447) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:57 AM Author: sexy canary cruise ship sandwich Yep, see edit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550448) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:54 AM Author: Carmine cracking mexican didn't read whole thread.
just gotta call. hard to think a person calls original raise with 3 or 6 hands. that said, raise should have been bigger with 3 limpers.
sometimes you lose, but you've got nut diamonds with unlikely full houses that beat you. |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 9:59 AM Author: Scarlet Cuck Rigor here's how you should have played the hand. Raise 3X+1X for every limper. Possibly even more since you're likely to be out of position should anyone decide to call. In this case $35-$45. Of course this depends upon the game. Many live no limit games routinely see standard preflop raises to 5X so adjust accordingly. Continuation on the flop was ok, maybe a little small. The check with the nut flush draw and two overs on the turn is simply idiotic. Then you have to call the river absent any player-specific reads. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23550451) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 1:43 PM Author: exhilarant frum background story Still depressed brothers (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23551265) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:36 PM Author: Scarlet Cuck Rigor why play poker if you suck at it? read a book for god's sake. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553010) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 7:20 PM Author: Shaky shitlib I agree with this, although there are so many variables with table history, styles/reads and position of limpers to determine the optimal preflop bet--$25 is ok here absent other information. I discount the small blind's action in this scenario, and probably would've bet $30 (doubling the pot from $25 to $50 total) to ease the math going forward.
Either way, any issue with a few bucks +/- on the preflop and postflop bets are dwarfed by the terrible decision not to bet the turn. |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:40 PM Author: clear deer antler why didnt you go all in on the river (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553023) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:42 PM Author: dark pea-brained voyeur Jesus. What'd you used to weigh? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553032) |
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Date: July 5th, 2013 6:47 PM Author: clear deer antler this why i always go all-in when i get suited AK (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2301061&forum_id=2#23553040) |