Date: December 18th, 2013 12:10 AM Author: Useless High-end School Cafeteria Juggernaut
The worst part of online dating is exchanging a few messages with a girl you wouldn't even normally hit on IRL and then getting stonewalled when you ask her out.
Date: December 18th, 2013 12:37 AM Author: Greedy stage
no the worst part is actually getting them to go on the date with you and receiving a lukewarm reaction when you would be somewhat out of their league if met IRL. way better to lose 15 minutes than a couple hours + $$$.
Date: December 18th, 2013 8:00 AM Author: big nofapping degenerate
Cr this guy is retarded. I have never done a first meetup (don't even call it a date, especially not to her) that wasn't either coffee or drinks. Dinner? Lol. These are the chicks that me and other dudes are banging in the car shortly after meeting them. You should show them minimal respect.
Date: December 18th, 2013 1:35 AM Author: chocolate goal in life azn
I don't think it's that. the fact that there's always another guy out there at minimal effort on their part means they're more critical and less invested, so they end up being unenthused towards the guys in their league. alpha p&ders are well-poised to take advantage of this and reinforce the cycle, but they're a relatively peripheral part of the phenomenon.
Date: December 18th, 2013 1:40 AM Author: Greedy stage
yeah...take the example of Jill 6.5. As a 6.5 she's probably already in the top quarter of online women since top tier women are constantly hit on IRL and rarely end up online (and being hit on happens passively without any effort on their part other than putting on makeup and being present).
She gets a message from Joe 8.0 asking her out. He's in the top 10% of online men and could pull IRL but is tired of putting in the effort. His only intentions are the P&D. She also gets a message from Jim 7.0. He *might* consider dating her since he has a bit harder time pulling but is also probably planning the P&D. She also gets a message from Jerry 6.5. He's probably too beta to pull random chicks IRL and is someone like Jill might realistically end up with through her social circle. There's a decent chance he'd date her, but again, there's also a decent chance he's shooting for the P&D. She also gets a message from James 5.5. If he was smart he'd try to lock this chick down, but again, there's a non-trivial chance of the P&D.
If you're Jill, and multiple guys from each category above are messaging you, who do you go out with? Do you yield protect the higher tier guys to avoid the P&D when the lower tiers may also be gunning to P&D you? Probably not. Do you start viewing yourself as an 8.0 because you have a steady supply of 8.0 guys asking you out? Probably. Does the 6.5 you could realistically date have much of a chance? No, the few times you deign to go out with him, you have a reasonably nice time, then you go home to refresh your inbox and find it awash with new messages from 8.0s.
Date: December 18th, 2013 4:27 AM Author: Greedy stage
no. 3's and 4's are zeros on the binary scale for most guys so you're much less subject to the trend I described. many guys will forgo P&D attempts entirely rather than pursing 3's and 4's. Also, guys at the upper end of the 3's or 4's hypergamous range are like 5's, so they aren't hot enough to make her panties slick and make being P&Ded an appealing proposition. Lastly, if you are a 3 or 4, it's very easy to become a 5 or better just by altering your dress and grooming and exercising a bit. Shouldn't be that hard to get a relationship.
Date: December 18th, 2013 9:43 AM Author: alcoholic water buffalo
Why do you purport to know how women think? Based on my female friends' experiences online dating, this is completely inaccurate. They can almost always tell when guys are going for the P&D, and that type of attention DEFLATES their egos if anything. "Why doesn't anyone want to date meeeee?"
I remember one girl showing me a guy's picture (chill, I'm married, I'm not being friendzoned) and saying, "Look how attractive he is. I'm not even going to bother responding, because unless he's a weirdo who can't get laid in real life, he's not trying to date me." And she was a good-looking girl herself.
Date: December 18th, 2013 9:51 AM Author: alcoholic water buffalo
They're consistently rejected, I assume, and due to their own inflated egos and entitlement, they assume that women MUST have unrealistic expectations if they're not dating THEM!
Date: December 18th, 2013 9:01 PM Author: chocolate goal in life azn
this isn't true though. the truth is that some women underestimate their own attractiveness and some women overestimate it -- and their self-perception of their own attractiveness has basically no correlation to how attractive they actually are.
the women who overestimate their own attractiveness are the ones getting p&d'd most often, because they think a guy is in their league when he's actually not.
Date: December 18th, 2013 1:46 AM Author: misanthropic fortuitous meteor dragon
"take the example of Jill 6.5. As a 6.5 she's probably already in the top quarter of online women since top tier women are constantly hit on IRL and rarely end up online (and being hit on happens passively without any effort on their part other than putting on makeup and being present)."
and guys are largely in it for sex. one good looking guy could fuck like 3 of those chicks per week, who would probably feel slutty after gettign P&D at guilty as a result, keeping her a little hesitant to get back into dating for a while.
Date: December 18th, 2013 1:55 AM Author: Greedy stage
a good looking guy could fuck 3 slutty chicks per week. fucking 3 relationship-oriented chicks per week would be almost impossible unless he spent almost all his free time online dating or you're saying he carries over one or more chicks from week to week and bangs them multiple times before discarding them.
Date: December 18th, 2013 1:47 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Sick Multi-billionaire
the social changes of recent times are a big deal, but ultimately the shitty mating market for men seems to be mostly from some underlying numbers/facts:
-there's a significant gender gap within ARE age cohort. a study i read a while back estimated 115 men to every 100 women in the 15-24 age range, with certain locales having much worse skews for men (ARE country, mostly).
-obesity is a thing, and it p. much disqualifies a women as a potential mate to all but degenerates and chubby chasers. but i repeat myself. obese men can still score with decent chicks thanks to money/status/personality tho.
-older men can still compete. plenty of 35+ d00dz are scoring with early 20-somethings, either via the sugar daddy route or by having some tight game. sadly for the millenial generation, attractive cougars aren't a reality.
add in social factors and it's p. miserable for the average man. oh, and important reminder...the boomer age cohort had a significant surplus of women, obesity was virtually nonexistent, and the older men at the time tended to be restrained from pursuing younger women due to moral pressure.
Date: December 18th, 2013 1:21 AM Author: Bistre Trailer Park Police Squad
We're living in an era where female 5s can order up boyfriends like you'd order a pizza, and yet so many American women are still single because the 5s are all holding out for rich 11s.
Date: December 18th, 2013 1:42 AM Author: Provocative Rough-skinned Hospital Antidepressant Drug
i just go into it trying to fuck them, that's it
i used to give a shit about trying to court them and get into a relationship or whatever horseshit, its totally wrong thinking, these women only understand getting fucked
Date: December 18th, 2013 2:11 AM Author: trip locale
I keep telling myself I'm going back to IRL interactions, getting out more, or going to events but they all just seem kind of like lame Millennial hipster activities (e.g. flash mobs) or bars and lounges which can be hit or miss.
Date: December 18th, 2013 2:05 AM Author: Greedy stage
let's discuss the contravening theory: less decent male mates available due to widespread video game playing into 30's and far less careers that can support a wife staying at home with the children
Date: December 18th, 2013 2:13 AM Author: misanthropic fortuitous meteor dragon
certainly true. i think a lot of girls won't sleep with a guy unless he's either (1) good to very good looking or (2) they think there's some long term potential. this fucks a lot of guys (be it lack of career, video games, whatever), disqualifying them from sex unless they can outweigh this with their looks. even lessens the pool of males, but not necessarily very good looking males.
Date: December 18th, 2013 2:18 AM Author: trip locale
A noble task indeed but my interest in this scholarship concerns mainly getting my D wet. Society will probably suffer with most children born to a single mother household and overall population will age and shrink as people have less kids. The majority of kids will be born to low income families who will require government assistance. However, this might be good for 20 something bros looking to bang horny single moms.