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Marx's psycho-analysis on proto-strivers
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Date: April 27th, 2014 6:50 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_alienation
Alienation (Entfremdung) is the systemic result of living in a socially stratified society, because being a mechanistic part of a social class alienates a person from his and her humanity. The theoretic basis of alienation within the capitalist mode of production is that the worker invariably loses the ability to determine his or her life and destiny, when deprived of the right to think (conceive) of himself as the director of his actions; to determine the character of said actions; to define their relationship with other people; and to own the things and use the value of the goods and services, produced with their labour. Although the worker is an autonomous, self-realised human being, as an economic entity, he or she is directed to goals and diverted to activities that are dictated by the bourgeoisie, who own the means of production, in order to extract from the worker the maximal amount of surplus value, in the course of business competition among industrialists.
Fairy accurate, no? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459516) |
Date: April 27th, 2014 6:56 PM Author: floppy pozpig plaza Accurate, but obvious.
Elites push the mass of society around and the masses, for a mixture of reasons (dumb, lack of privilege, lack of leaders, barriers put up intentionally and maybe even unintentionally by the elites) simply can never rise up. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459557) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:07 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman Yeah, but without the alienation/addiction paradigm of the internet/videogames and the commodification of sexual/interpersonal relationships, this is basic-bitch-level scholarship. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459650) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:07 PM Author: floppy pozpig plaza English? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459658) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:10 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459677) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:15 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison What are you talking about? Historically, there was polygamy and 20% of the men did take 80% of the women, it's because of capitalism, that low-class garbage women end up taking their male counterparts, instead of becoming a concubine for a harem. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459709) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:16 PM Author: floppy pozpig plaza We are starting to revert, brother. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459714) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:17 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison Not really, you have gay marriage, again backed by beta males , but still no polygamy. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459724) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:23 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459751) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:28 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison No, what happened before is that chad and his bro would have been feudal lords, and would have married or taken concubines of a couple of dozen of those girls, and the rest would only be left for only a few of their highest-ranking subordinates at best.
(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459801) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:32 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman Yeah, you really don't understand how few people were feudal lords. Most serfs could get married, etc. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459831) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:35 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14817-polygamy-left-its-mark-on-the-human-genome.html#.U12UTNy95q0 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459851) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:21 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459738) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:25 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison Polygamy was feudalism, it occurred during the middle ages as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Christianity#Middle_Ages
It ended once the beta bourgeoisie usurped control from the traditional alpha warrior-aristocracy, and implemented monogamy to get better access to women, so that alphas wouldn't take them all. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459769) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:32 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman Eh, but not for 90% of the population. Looks pretty limited and most lower-class doods were fine with their ugly wives. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459826) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:38 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison They didn't have wives, often they were worked to death or died fighting young for their feudal lords.
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000202 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459862) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:43 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman Eh, could be just survivor bias. Also, idk if this is relevant given our focus on just the last 1000 years of actual civilized behavior. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459885) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:46 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison It goes back to primates, millions of years of evolution, it was originally like this. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459907) |
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Date: April 28th, 2014 8:20 AM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25462926) |
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Date: April 28th, 2014 8:26 AM Author: rough-skinned big garrison The effects of polygamy on primates have been directly observed as well. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25462948) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:35 PM Author: Charismatic jade dog poop pit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459849) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:16 PM Author: floppy pozpig plaza you deserve a 180, thank you. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459710) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:39 PM Author: Charismatic jade dog poop pit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459866) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:08 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison Already well-elaborated upon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_fetish
It ties into the critique on marginalism, all the same. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459660) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:14 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman I don't understand this. Help?
It seems to me to just be inaccurate and primitive as opposed to saying that we've designed products that provide short term neurological stimulation, but that destroy long-term happiness and joy. (i.e. the "Alpha dude: something awesome; u: poast" meme)
And then just moving that capitalism/short-term thinking to private relationships as women gained the freedom to be as stupid as men. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459699) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:16 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison Because you yourself are looking at the picture through a rationalized marginal viewpoint, based on sociology, which is a marginalist-derived fraud of an ideology. Marx analyzed the picture objectively. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459715) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:23 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman .......................use smaller words, i'm a mathbro not a polysciwizard (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459759) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:30 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison Then you should be able to understand this well from a an objective mathematical viewpoint:
(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459818) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:41 PM Author: talented mewling hunting ground patrolman huh. honestly, i'm a little lost as to how that connects to what we were talking about re: isolation/addiction/commodification of relationships.
and i'm still puzzling through if it has any meaning other than 'economic models are shitty and simple' which i already knew/believed. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459877) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:48 PM Author: rough-skinned big garrison It's the economic understanding of marginal utility that developed into sociology, you're looking through a socio-economic framework based on those shitty models.
Political Economy, a comprehensive analysis, was always more accurate. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459913) |
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Date: April 27th, 2014 7:33 PM Author: Charismatic jade dog poop pit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2553812&forum_id=2#25459838) |