Date: October 18th, 2005 8:41 PM Author: Flatulent gay hall
This girl I have a huge crush on just came online. I'm about to message her and try to show her what a witty and smart guy I am so maybe she'll take interest in me. I'm pretty fucking inept with girls so I'm bound to fuck this up on my own. I'll start posting this stuff in real-time. Under the post, tell me what I should respond with. Okay?
Date: October 18th, 2005 8:44 PM Author: excitant jade pistol
Sometimes I wish I could hunt my own dinners. You know, just stroll into the wilderness with nothing but my shotgun and my bravado (lol!) and live off the land.
Date: October 18th, 2005 8:47 PM Author: Flatulent gay hall
me: Sometimes I wish I could hunt my own dinners. You know, just stroll into the wilderness with nothing but my shotgun and my bravado (lol!) and live off the land.
Date: October 18th, 2005 8:50 PM Author: excitant jade pistol
Veganism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to eat its fruits--and claims a halo for his dishonesty.
Date: October 18th, 2005 8:57 PM Author: glittery athletic conference
You should standardize your capitalization. Either go with standard capitalization or all lower caps; that way your responses don't look so schizophrenic.
Date: October 18th, 2005 9:03 PM Author: glittery athletic conference
I'm going to assume he got shut down pretty bad. He made some stupid choices, especially that shovel comment. Stop trying to be cute, you stupid fucker.
this sounds correct but I don't think it fits well w/ the persona he's built up so far - right now she's thinking that on the off chance that there's really something to a guy that sounds this schizo, it's worth at least one date to find out - this comment reveals all that for the bullshit it really is
Yes, you are very correct. She thinks he's weird now. I don't know why he did this, and actually used peoples responses. He is fucked (or rather...not fucked)
How about something simple? There's a good coffee place at [Insert Name]... **only use this if she is a psuedo-intellectual type and you can hold a decent conversation without assistance for an hour or two**
Are you any good at dancing? There's a great club [insert here]... **this is if she is sort or sorority-ish**
Let go with an old stand-by dinner and a movie/show/play
I like coffee for a first date. It lends itself to lasting 25 minutes for 4 hours.
Your analysis is absolute correct. Coffee works really well. Dinner and a movie is ideal for people who already know eachother well enough that spontaneous mid-movie makeout is feasible/likely.
He goes into coffee with the intention of earning an invitation. "Hey would you like to come to my friend's party with me?" He gets that and he's golden. If not, then not.
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I think the OP (if real, and not the Internet Badass etc.) is only the second person I've encountered in my life with negative game - a "black hole", as it were
I don't think he made a single correct decision at any point in the conversation - he was only in it as long as he was b/c the girl kept him in it (she might have been genuinely baffled by his demeanor), and he clearly did poorly enough to make her feel like her best course of action was the transparent revocation of dinner acceptance - I mean, it's just a disaster from start to finish
Oh, one other thing. "It's fine" is a terrible response. Whenever a girl rejects me, I don't say "it's fine". (I don't try to pwn her, either, contrary to what Media Kid reported.) I draw fast away and ignore her. For example, in closing:
Me: Well, how about giving me your number?
Her: Well, how about you give me your number, and I'll call you.
Me: Oh, so you don't have a phone? They're cheap; I'm sure you can afford one.
Her: I'm sorry, but I just don't give out my number... [this is a blatant lie]
Me: Okay. No, I understand the paranoia. It's a scary world out there. Hey, I gotta run.
Her: It was nice to meet you. [I fucking hate when women say this after rejecting me; it's the worst "fuck you" they have.]
Me: [nothing] -OR- I thought so.
Don't be aggressive or mean, and don't try to pwn her. Just be subtly distant and maybe slightly callous. 95+ times out of 100, you won't make any impression on her at all because you don't mean anything to her. On occasion, she will admire you, and become more attracted. At this point, at least in my experience, I've lost interest so it's a moot point.
Date: October 18th, 2005 9:47 PM Author: odious slippery house tattoo
Nah. That would've been too obvious. I think he went in too strong. If he wasn't sure he would get a "yes", he should've just asked to go have a coffee or meet somewhere informal.
Yeah, you can't go one color level higher on the interest spectrum than you already are. Dinner is red; coffee is yellow-orange. So if her interest-level in you is only yellow (platonic w/ romantic possibilities) then you have to start with coffee, not dinner.
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR LISTENING TO THIS BOARD ON A MATTER LIKE THIS! NEVER AGAIN! YOU WILL NEVER AGAIN DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER THAN THIS. YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GOT.
Honestly, I don't even know how you were in it as long as you were. She must have liked you somewhat before this conversation because she tried to save you several times. You just kept fucking it up though. Tell her you were wasted already or something like that. I honestly don't know how you can do damage control for something like this. I'd say just forget her and move on.
Date: October 18th, 2005 9:46 PM Author: Flatulent gay hall
Thanks for the help, as ill-fated as it was. Obviously I'm not posting her SN, but I'll indulge :D and post her pic for a few minutes (it's not the greatest shot of her, but whatever):
Date: October 18th, 2005 9:51 PM Author: glittery athletic conference
Yeah, the people here can't see beyond the picture. The fact that she put that as her picture show's she has a sense of humor, and it's easy to see that if her mouth weren't so contorted, she would be cute.
Date: October 18th, 2005 9:58 PM Author: Spruce wrinkle
I am very much like to make the date with you at the Sizzler and then watching the War of the Worlds with the Tom Cruise... you are date with me Saturday night, yes?
He has about a 4% chance at a save if he leaves a message like, "some homework" or the such.
At this point, why should he want this girl? She's a liar and probably a whore. Women who make big deals out of even everyday social interactions with men are almost invariantly getting thugged somewhere.
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:16 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
yeah passive-aggressiveness works real well with the ladies.
His only chance for a save is to plow through with a confident frame removing all indications of interest in her and just present himself as an interesting guy she should be dying to get to know. He shouldn't initiate again unless she gives indicators that she's really interested in him. He should IM her again the following Monday saying "So how was your friday? I had the weirdest time, I went to a bar with some friends and ran into some hot Swedish exchange students dressed as clowns who later turned out to be transsexuals on their way to a gay parade, or something like that."
That's callousness, but not passive-aggressiveness, at least not in the technical sense.
I agree that your solution is probably superior. I'd just bag it at this point; she sounds like not a catch. She's a liar and he should let her have her 409 boyz [sic].
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:38 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
callousness is hard to initiate. Callousness would be her IMing him and saying "hey wassup" and then you saying "some homework eh?" Initiating it is passive-aggressiveness.
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:09 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
you were too incongruent, she can sense it. You can't start off with witty liners and quips and then get serious and passive. You should have stuck with a witty, confident frame all the way through evne if you would have flamed out even more. When she sprung that party shit or backed out, you should have replied with something like "well what about your friend kara, is she available friday?" or something. Then she at least wouldn't have felt sorry for you and instead just thought you were too aggressive or weird for her or whatever; pity from a bitch is there anything more pathetic?
Asking about the friend after getting shot down is a sure way of getting shut out with the friend, too. It's not a good call.
That said, I agree with your critique of his approach. I think his one-liners were pretty TTT, though. No offense to the people on the board, but I don't think corny jokes work.
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:22 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
the one-liners were good, it got her interested. Things would have worked if he hadn't pussied out and gone with his own lines. He obviously has no confidence and when he reverted to his own lines, the lack of assurance showed through and indicated to her: "his confidence and bravado is false, he doesn't really know what he's doing." That torpedoed him more than anything else.
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:19 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
You're not seriously asking about the friend, it's just an alpha male way of thinking: "yeah i got shot down by you, your loss. Your friend is hotter, I should give her a shot, why don't you help me get laid, your feelings are irrelevant."
The one-liners were gold. Especially for IM. You can't go into long stories on AIM until you've shown why she should read long paragraphs by you.
Thank you for posting this. Watching you flop has helped me improve by shitty AFC game.
A few notes. You shouldn't mention nervousness around talking to "attractive women". This indicates that it's a sexually-charged conversation, and that's not good. Once you raise the stakes, five seconds later you better be making out with her or else you raised them too soon. Also, you should have subtly indicated that going to the party would be an inferior choice to spending the night with you, and that if she couldn't take you along, the guy was an anal douchebag (not in those words) for not accepting dates at his parties. Finally, saying "i have big plans", followed by "you and me" isn't C&F-type confidence, it's pushiness. This never works.
My advice would be that you shouldn't try to get into her plans (her TTT party, her social events, whatever). Invite her to something you would be doing anyway, like going to a rock concert, working out, or hanging out in your favorite coffeeshop. Try to make it something during the night hours (7:30 or later, but with a start time before 10); afternoon = friend, evening = date. Never mention that she is attractive; if you haven't gotten her to like you, she doesn't care what you think (n.b. "that's sweet" is BAD); if she does like you, she *does* care what you think and that's a great reason not to tell her. Subtly hint that you find her cute and interesting, but never spell out that you find her "attractive". Definitely don't ask her what she thinks of your looks, or if she finds you "attractive", either.
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:10 PM Author: Clear Multi-colored Travel Guidebook Range
pensive is absolutely right, you have to take baby steps. No level 2 Illusionist is going to have what it takes to win against a Beholder, even the smaller Gauth variety. And forget Elder Orbs or Hive Mothers. Start out staying close to the village, close enough to where you can always make it back within a few rounds. Kobolds, Goblins, and Gibberlings are your desired foes. Build up to Gnolls and Hobgoblins, then possibly Ogrillions. You have to crawl before you can walk!!! Level up to level 3. Then buy a scroll of Melf's Acid Arrow and go to TOWN. At this point you should be pimp enough to make the trek from the village to the town, assuming this is a good rolling night for you.
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:36 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
the museum part was fine, it all went downhill with this one line:
"me: oh sorry. say the word and they're gone"
So this one bitch mentions she's feeling ignored and you go and stop talking to all your friends? What happened to the funny confident guy she had been talking to? She gave you a pass when you mentioned that bullshit about talking to attractive women, she might have thought "oh look he's confident but really sweet too" now with this line she thinks "oh look he's confident but needy, does not compute. Is this all a front?" I won't even get into telling her explicitly she gets top priority.
You further sunk yourself here:
"me: but seriously...
me: how about dinner at _____
me: and then we can just play it by ear from there?"
Yeah wow, you had big plans for you and her and this means dinner at the Sizzler. Now she knows you're all talk; she thought you were different, interesting, maybe you could bring excitement to her life. Instead you want to sit down and eat with her like every other jackass in the world. What you should have done is suggested something completely off the wall and then settle for dinner (if that's what your really want to do with her) making it look as if you're settling but that you really want to do something more exciting. You should have said "Why don't we go camping, I'll go hunting for tuberoots like I said earlier and you can use my shotgun for the legumes." Then when she says you can't be serious then say "oh what, you just want to go to dinner or something, I guess we could do that, but next time we're doing something really BIG." Suggesting skydiving or bungee jumping or something works as well, best to mention some details though like "let's go to Skydiving Nation on 57th and Elm, they have a Friday night special, two for the price of one."
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:39 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
he should have included the second part. But it could have gone either way, stacking three one-liners in a row only works well on some girls. But it doesn't matter, it didn't sink him.
Date: October 18th, 2005 10:41 PM Author: outnumbered theatre people who are hurt
he got cocky, it'd be like having Cyrano whisper advice in your ear and then deciding after a few minutes you don't need him and going off on your own. Dumb move.
Date: October 19th, 2005 2:05 AM Author: obsidian floppy temple
EVERYONE on this thread is a pathetic loser. I can't believe this bullshit thread got 300+ posts -- oh wait, I CAN believe it, xoxo is full of socially inept loser-fuck virgins with no idea how to talk to women. Fucking idiots.
I don't even get on AIM nowadays because there are about 5 - 6 stupid cunts that constantly hound me trying to get me to go out. You fuckers are entirely pathetic. I was laughing the entire time I read this thread; and I'm laughing now. HAHHAHAHAA
Date: October 19th, 2005 2:11 AM Author: cream sickened circlehead sanctuary
Right, so there was finally an entertaining thread around here that wasnt about 174 or your alliance or whatever corny shit you post about non stop. How annoying that a non flame thread generated interest and was actually funny and engaging. Shut the fuck up loser. You contribute nothing to this place.
Date: October 19th, 2005 2:14 AM Author: obsidian floppy temple
Haha. 174's name is in every 3rd thread and pensive's questions threads are some of the most posted on in xoxo history (as are mine -- under my various flame monikers).
Look pal. I have no idea who you are and I really don't give a shit. If you're going to disagree that you're a pathetic loser like the rest of these cunts, then that's fine; but don't bring up all this nonsense about "cronys" and "alliances" and such -- it makes you sound childish and kinda jealous.
Date: October 19th, 2005 2:22 AM Author: cream sickened circlehead sanctuary
Its not nonsense. You homos take up way too much of the board with that crap. Its annoying to the normal people here. You add nothing to the board. At least 174 has said some funny shit in his time, no one here finds you the least bit entertaining so just shut the fuck up.
Date: October 19th, 2005 2:27 AM Author: obsidian floppy temple
"You add nothing to the board. You people take up too much board space. You people waste my time because I like to respond to you. You people are a total waste of time because people like you are always on my mind. You people and your lives are always the subject of conversation here. You add nothing. Nothing! All people ever do is talk about 174 and pensive and their "prestige alliance." You add nothing to the board. I am infatuated with the alliance and I want to be apart of it. You add nothing. Especially you, Chauncey, you add absolutely nothing. I hate you and I hope you die. I want you to die because you have a large penis, girfriends, and you are liked. Yeah, liked and loved. Like Julius Caesar. Perhaps a better word may be "known." You see, I've been posting here for years and you come strolling into town with your "prestige alliance" and your "four horsemen" and all of a sudden I'm an inconsequential afterthought. I can't stand it. You add nothing. I like to say you add nothing. Here, I'll say it again: You add nothing."
Date: November 15th, 2005 9:38 PM Author: Zombie-like Charismatic Potus Business Firm
i just took a solid half hour and read this thread from beginning to end. i didnt want to scroll down and confirm my suspicions about whether this was a bonafide flame or not. i still say it is, but not knowing for sure is the best part.
he had her then lost her because he started being a pussy (see the sonicyouth post above). this is document that we all should revisit, time to time. whether it's flame or not, it is truth.