also, i'm not even anti-drugs. i'm all for non physically addictive ones like weed and LSD, and prefer them to alcohol, but shooting up is just too fucking much.

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taking vicodins is still fucking TTT though.

i'm all for non physically addictive drugs like weed and LSD, but actually having an addiction is TTT as shit.

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I am a very worrisome OCD person in general, particularly about health and I'm terrified about dirtiness and contracting diseases

I snort it

I don't reqlly see how it's much different from doing Demerol dilaudid morphine opana or any other strong opiate

the us war on drugs has demonized heroin but in Europe it's used in hospitals for legitimate purposes as an analgesic along shit like dilaudid. here it's illegal to use it for medical reasons but it's a cheap strong pain reliever

would you be this upset if someone told you they took orally or snorted but never railed dilaudid or Oxys? you wouldn't but you shouldn't be more worried just because it's HEROIN

the American government is so dishonest about drug use

if you go on the wiki page and look at the bad side effects associated with heroin use they ALL side effects of using dirty needles - HIV, hep c, tetanus, a ceases, heart infections, embolisms

yeah no shit if you use a fucking nasty dirty ass piece of metal than eight other people have used to put ANYTHING in your body you'll get sick

the only problem caused by heroin itself is fucking constipation

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30460115)

I hate itthat

thank you

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30460134)

like, if you have some facts put them out there

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30460129)

lol

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30460168)

if you used a dirty needle shared with people w HIV to inject fucking Benadryl this shit would happen to you. it has nothing to do with heroin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#/media/File%3ALong-term_effects_of_heroin.png

the only accurate points are the long term CNS effects

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30460125)

where u stay

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30460136)

I am in grad school but don't wanna say where for obvious reasons

I'm not far from the city tho! :)

how are you doing man? Still at the same job? still with wifey?

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<3

btw anyone who would like to talk about the drug think, like really debate it, please lemme kno... it's jus hard bc Americans are so brainwashed by DARE they can't be objective. maybw in in denial, maybe I'm not but there are facts out there and I didn't fabricate them.

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opiates are NOT toxic to the body

at most, they cause constipation

the only risks are addiction, tolerance and overdose but unlike other dugs they can be taken safely for decades if you know what you're doing.

unlike drugs like alcohol and cocaine which slowly take their toll on your body every time you ingest them, opiates are benign and you just need to make sure you don't take too much so as to OD. compare to something like alcohol or even Tylenol which can't be taken continuously in a safe manner because it's killing your liver

anyway all this info is out there but people are too emoionwl about th topic to do thebwrch

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Stage one of addiction denial can be either type A or type B denial as described above. The alcoholic or addict may accept being addicted to a drug or drugs but, they truly don’t believe that they have the disease of addiction. They might flat-out deny having a problem despite overwhelming evidence or they might admit that they are a drug abuser but that they’re not physically dependent or addicted.

The bottom line: the addict doesn’t accept having the disease of addiction, and therefore is unwilling to accept that complete abstinence from all drugs is required.

How to Overcome Stage One Addiction Denial

An internal acceptance of their chemical dependency is required to overcome the first stage of addiction denial. It is an ongoing process and requires a conversion in the addict’s belief system.

A seed must be planted and given time to take root and grow. This was my personal experience with overcoming denial about my addiction: my father somewhat off-handedly mentioned the idea of treatment to me. At first, I was angry with him and refused to speak to him. About 5 months later, I was seeking treatment for my problem.

Step One of the AA/NA recovery program states, “We admitted…” The more someone admits to having a problem, the more they come to believe it on a deeper level of self-awareness.

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if I'm in denial the stuff I said can be easily proven false right

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30460335)

also all these opiates have a shit ton of side effects and are not benign

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30464818)

I never said it was "no big deal" and I never attributed that to the fact that it's used as an analgesic in Europe.

I made one argument: unlike most other drugs, opiates are not physically toxic. meaning that, unlike a medication like Tylenol which is harmful to the liver, opiates don't hurt the body.

they are dangerous for a number of other reasons which is why I'd never say they're "no big deal" but thy aren't physically deleterious

I wish we could just have an honest discussion of the facts without everyone just saying "omg you're in DENIAL." can we forget my situation and discuss the facts

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This is about you this isn't some academic argument. You shouldn't just reject everyone who is concerned with your well being. It's perfectly fair for someone to suggest that you shouldn't take drugs, regardless of what they are. Xoxo is a proud proponent of the alcohol = poison truth. Even if Heroin is harmless in small doses, being addicted to it would be a problem.

And yes, I think you are crazy to think that Heroin is safe.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heroin&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Adverse_effects

what are the shit ton of side effects of opiates (other than constipation)? I know they make some people itch. the side effects associated with heroin are actually problems with adulterants added to the street product (dealers cut it with everything from bleach to draino...)

and of course there are systemic effects caused by

IV drug use - particularly shared, dirty needles used by people who aren't reined to give injections - collapsed veins, abscesses, pneumonia, embolisms...

I am not aware of any other side effects of opiates in the literature.

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they obvious fuck up your liver too.

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there are many medications that people must take every day for the rest or their lives - for example people who have received transplants and must take immunosuppressants. Or people with HIV who are on HAART

my point obv isn't that a heroin addiction is the same as a life-saving medication regimen, only that having to tie something isn't in and of itself bad or dangerous

I have never seen that opiates are toxic to the liver. You are thinking of acetaminophen (Tylenol) which is highly toxic to the liver and often combined with opiates: codeine+ APAP= Tylenol # 3, dextroprphoxyphene+ APAP= darvocet, oxycodone+APAP=Percocet, endocet, roxicet, etc., hydrocodone+APAP=Vicodin, Loretta, norco, etc...

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3221201&forum_id=2#30468048)

that's true - it is "up to you" - no one is going to be able to convince you that this is a problem. only you can figure that out for yourself.

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