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What is your favorite EPIC POEM?

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Tantric Stage
  01/25/18
Song of Roland.
animeboi
  01/25/18
Are you fucking kidding me?
Adventurous Becky
  01/26/18
(monolingual moutbreathing Trumpkin who can't read medieval ...
animeboi
  01/26/18
you can read medieval french? what else can you read?
yellow passionate spot filthpig
  01/26/18
No. I can read German though.
animeboi
  01/26/18
ever read the Nibelungenlied?
Arousing Black Roast Beef Ladyboy
  01/26/18
Faust > Wagner, but neither are EPIC POETRY in genre
lex
  01/26/18
not in OG middle high german.
animeboi
  01/26/18
the legend is told, up in Lufthansa Gold...
nyuug
  01/25/18
Tie between Theogony and Divine Comedy; The Prelude close se...
Vigorous drab den
  01/25/18
Paradise Lost
Brussels Sprout (Apropos of the Wet Snow)
  01/25/18
The Illiad is GOAT
yellow passionate spot filthpig
  01/26/18
the COLUMBIAD, AMERICA'S epic poem
lex
  01/26/18
TIL, tyft. but wiki goes harsh: "Intended as a natio...
internet-worthy brass rigor mood
  01/26/18
it's not even a good poem, but it's so distinctively enlight...
lex
  01/26/18
Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee, http:/...
internet-worthy brass rigor mood
  01/26/18
the lusiads
misunderstood cumskin
  01/26/18
Ship of fools
french philosopher-king resort
  01/26/18
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Impressive private investor karate
  01/26/18
Does Prometheus count?
Magenta exciting stage
  01/26/18
prometheus bound, frankenstein: or the modern prometheus, or...
lex
  01/26/18
The Prophet
Jet-lagged liquid oxygen lay
  01/26/18
I liked the Aeneid a lot. Found Paradise Lost dreadful. ...
Aphrodisiac plum masturbator
  01/26/18
Aeneid is my favorite too never read the indian epics
Tantric Stage
  01/26/18
For storyline, the Aeneid. For actual poetry, probably P...
Twisted 180 sound barrier
  01/26/18
what language are you reading paradise lost in thats "c...
yellow passionate spot filthpig
  01/26/18
what translation of the aeneid did you read?
Tantric Stage
  01/26/18
The Aeneid is a linguistic tour de force. Only about half of...
Aphrodisiac plum masturbator
  01/26/18
yep that kind of shit is completely lost on me. to me the Ae...
Twisted 180 sound barrier
  01/26/18
It's actually pretty easy. http://www.skidmore.edu/academ...
Aphrodisiac plum masturbator
  01/26/18
well yes I know poetry works, but I don't read Latin so the ...
Twisted 180 sound barrier
  01/26/18
Well, a major part of poetry is cadence, and that was an opp...
Aphrodisiac plum masturbator
  01/26/18
you can read the whole damn poem in latin fluently and under...
Tantric Stage
  01/26/18
A couple of years, but I had no idea how to learn languages ...
Aphrodisiac plum masturbator
  01/26/18
How did you learn to learn languages? I always found languag...
Tantric Stage
  01/26/18
cr pls describe your technique, Stephen.
titillating fanboi
  01/26/18
I think most language classes actually hamper and discourage...
Aphrodisiac plum masturbator
  01/26/18
180 tyft
titillating fanboi
  01/26/18
180
titillating fanboi
  01/26/18
trolling aside, the Aeneid is a more interesting epic to a m...
lex
  01/26/18
Homeric, followed by paradise lost.
Anal school cafeteria corn cake
  01/26/18
what do you like better, illiad or odyssey?
Tantric Stage
  01/26/18
for a while it was the odyssey but then I re-read fitzgerald...
Anal school cafeteria corn cake
  01/26/18
I like the Iliad better. girls supposedly like the odyssey b...
Tantric Stage
  01/26/18
fagles is 180. First thing I read by him was the Three Theba...
titillating fanboi
  01/26/18
yeah I read his translation for that too
Tantric Stage
  01/26/18
Beowulf
MAGA's Prolapsed Anus
  01/26/18
We all love Seamus Heaney here
Vigorous drab den
  01/26/18


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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:55 PM
Author: Tantric Stage



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240387)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: animeboi

Song of Roland.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240396)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: Adventurous Becky

Are you fucking kidding me?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241628)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:30 AM
Author: animeboi

(monolingual moutbreathing Trumpkin who can't read medieval French)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242424)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:33 AM
Author: yellow passionate spot filthpig

you can read medieval french? what else can you read?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242432)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:44 AM
Author: animeboi

No. I can read German though.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242464)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:10 AM
Author: Arousing Black Roast Beef Ladyboy

ever read the Nibelungenlied?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242509)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:11 AM
Author: lex

Faust > Wagner, but neither are EPIC POETRY in genre

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242513)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:20 AM
Author: animeboi

not in OG middle high german.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242557)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: nyuug (Big Korean Cock is REAL)

the legend is told, up in Lufthansa Gold...

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240398)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:57 PM
Author: Vigorous drab den

Tie between Theogony and Divine Comedy; The Prelude close second

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240400)



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Date: January 25th, 2018 10:59 PM
Author: Brussels Sprout (Apropos of the Wet Snow)

Paradise Lost

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35240412)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:12 AM
Author: yellow passionate spot filthpig

The Illiad is GOAT

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241594)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:12 AM
Author: lex

the COLUMBIAD, AMERICA'S epic poem

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241600)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: internet-worthy brass rigor mood

TIL, tyft.

but wiki goes harsh: "Intended as a national epic for the United States it was popular with the reading public for a few years, and was compared with Homer, Virgil and Milton, but it has since been for the most part dismissed as an overblown and tedious failure."

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242570)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:47 AM
Author: lex

it's not even a good poem, but it's so distinctively enlightenment AMERICAN. the invocation is even to Freedom:

"Almighty Freedom! give my venturous song

The force, the charm that to thy voice belong;

This thine to shape my course, to light my way,

To nerve my country with patriot lay,

To teach all men where all their interest lies,

How rulers may be just and nations wise:

Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee,

Invoke no miracle, no Muse but thee."

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242764)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: internet-worthy brass rigor mood

Strong in thy strength I bend no suppliant knee,

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01381/obama_bow_1381505c.jpg

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242803)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:13 AM
Author: misunderstood cumskin

the lusiads

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241603)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: french philosopher-king resort

Ship of fools

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241609)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:14 AM
Author: Impressive private investor karate



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241614)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:16 AM
Author: Magenta exciting stage

Does Prometheus count?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241629)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 1:18 AM
Author: lex

prometheus bound, frankenstein: or the modern prometheus, or the film

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35241636)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 8:47 AM
Author: Jet-lagged liquid oxygen lay

The Prophet

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242470)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:03 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac plum masturbator

I liked the Aeneid a lot.

Found Paradise Lost dreadful.

Anybody read the Indian epics, like Ramayana or Mahabharata? Worth diving into?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242495)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: Tantric Stage

Aeneid is my favorite too

never read the indian epics

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242499)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:05 AM
Author: Twisted 180 sound barrier

For storyline, the Aeneid.

For actual poetry, probably Paradise Lost because it is written in English and I can appreciate it in something close to the original language.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242498)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:06 AM
Author: yellow passionate spot filthpig

what language are you reading paradise lost in thats "close to english"?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242500)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Tantric Stage

what translation of the aeneid did you read?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242516)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:22 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac plum masturbator

The Aeneid is a linguistic tour de force. Only about half of Latin words were available to fit the dactylic hexameter, the meter used in the Aeneid. This is like Michael Jordan winning a championship playing with one arm.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242569)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:23 AM
Author: Twisted 180 sound barrier

yep that kind of shit is completely lost on me. to me the Aeneid is a prose work cuz I read it in translation.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242574)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:36 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac plum masturbator

It's actually pretty easy.

http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/classics/courses/1998fall/cl202/resource/meter/metintro.html

Don't pay any attention to the technical vocabulary. Just look at the diagrams. Essentially, each line can have six rhythmic units, and each unit can be two long syllables (-- -- ) or a long syllable followed by two short ones (-- x x). There's freedom to combine the former with the latter in a line, inducing a hypnotic effect on the listener.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGMqzL0xRk&t=0m55s



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242681)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:51 AM
Author: Twisted 180 sound barrier

well yes I know poetry works, but I don't read Latin so the effect of reading the Aeneid in the original Latin and being impressed by Vergil's mastery of Latin is not something I'll ever experience

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242781)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:16 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac plum masturbator

Well, a major part of poetry is cadence, and that was an opportunity to learn something about an epic poem you like.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242944)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:11 AM
Author: Tantric Stage

you can read the whole damn poem in latin fluently and understand all of it? how many classes did you have to take to be able to do that?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242920)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:17 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac plum masturbator

A couple of years, but I had no idea how to learn languages back then.

Almost anyone can do it in a few months of study.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242949)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:23 AM
Author: Tantric Stage

How did you learn to learn languages? I always found language classes to be a pain in the ass.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242989)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:26 AM
Author: titillating fanboi

cr pls describe your technique, Stephen.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243007)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:38 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac plum masturbator

I think most language classes actually hamper and discourage people from learning languages.

I was initially inspired by the guy in the article, who used to poast on a language forum:

Anyone here know more than 20 languages?

He shared his techniques on the forum, and gradually, other people began doing some wild experiments and sharing the results. They would start something really crazy, or expand on other people's methods.

So I began my own journey, and it took me a while to experiment and nail down a process that works for me. But everyone has to find a method that works for him, to accommodate his level of motivation, time, interests, etc etc.

Here are a couple of things that I think are universally important:

-Sound should be the primary component in learning any language, even dead ones. I now refuse to learn any language without sound recordings. If one doesn't exist, I'll record it myself.

-Take smaller bites. Focus on learning about ten to twenty sentences a day, listening to them and repeating them throughout the day.

- But not too small. It's much more helpful to learn vocabulary in the context of a sentence than trying to memorize a list.

- Repetition is key. Frequent repetition establishes the fundamentals.

- Don't worry too much about grammar at first. The sentences you internalize will give you a great footing to formalize your grammar study later. That way, learning grammar becomes fun and not a chore.

There are some techniques I've learned from other people, and even invented along the way, but the above are the basic gist of my approach.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243123)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:44 AM
Author: titillating fanboi

180 tyft

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243173)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:25 AM
Author: titillating fanboi

180

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243001)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:42 AM
Author: lex

trolling aside, the Aeneid is a more interesting epic to a modern audience than either of the Homeric ones. the Iliad has vast swathes where nothing really happens, but it's hard to go more than 50 lines in the Aeneid without interest, because it's a denser poem responding to Hellenistic epic. and the last 4 books are incredibly underrated.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242714)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:14 AM
Author: Anal school cafeteria corn cake

Homeric, followed by paradise lost.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242527)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:15 AM
Author: Tantric Stage

what do you like better, illiad or odyssey?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242530)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:18 AM
Author: Anal school cafeteria corn cake

for a while it was the odyssey but then I re-read fitzgeralds iliad again and ... I think I prefer it.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242954)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:22 AM
Author: Tantric Stage

I like the Iliad better. girls supposedly like the odyssey better. I have read the lattimore and fagles translations and liked fagles a lot better.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242978)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:28 AM
Author: titillating fanboi

fagles is 180. First thing I read by him was the Three Theban Plays and was hooked for life.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243026)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 10:30 AM
Author: Tantric Stage

yeah I read his translation for that too

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35243046)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:49 AM
Author: MAGA's Prolapsed Anus

Beowulf

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242775)



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Date: January 26th, 2018 9:50 AM
Author: Vigorous drab den

We all love Seamus Heaney here

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3871315&forum_id=2#35242779)