Date: November 29th, 2018 7:43 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
Push hildawg dirt in exchange for getting a Trump Tower financed in Moscow when he lost the election. Big missing key is if Trump got re-engaged on the Moscow deal before he made the "Russia, if you're listening, please get Hildawg's e-mails comment." If he did, that's really fucking bad. And Don Trump, Jr. may have been the guy who talked him into it.
Russians literally relaunched their (EDIT: Democrat) hacking operation that evening.
Date: November 29th, 2018 7:51 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
Yeah, that's what never made sense to me about the liberal position. It's just totally illogical that Trump would give enough of a shit about anything to try and do this. But they offered a building with his name on it. That is Trump's kryptonite. So now it makes sense that he helped push some anti-Hillary, anti-US memes in exchange for a plan to get a Trump Tower Moscow. And I think it was still 99 percent the people around him, not him. The people around him wanted him to be president and I don't know that he ever really did.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:07 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
He spent millions of his own dollars to run for POTUS and ruined his marketability amongst half the country in order to....get a building with his name on it in Russia? Then he oops won and he never wanted that but now he's stuck? He could have done that without even running or being a nominee. By this argument you're saying Russia WANTED Hillary to win but wanted her to look stupid rather than supporting a Trump win so he'd be in their pocket?
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:10 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
Do you seriously believe that Trump's run for presidency was a net loss?
I'm saying Russia saw a threat in Hillary (how many troops would be in Ukraine today?) and wanted her cowed out of the gate. No one, including Trump, thought he was going to win. And it makes sense that Trump would focus on personal gain -- a building with his name on it.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:14 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
So you think Trump mocking Hillary was somehow going to prevent her from being a hawk on Russia? She wouldn't put troops in Ukraine b/c Trump embarrassed her? This makes zero sense. Trump was still very popular before he ran. You think he'd damage his reputation and ability to have future shows or enterprises just to get his name on a building in Moscow that no one would GAF about?
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:21 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
Your comment makes no sense. How would attacking Hillary harm Trump?
If Hillary was as Clintonian as Bill Clinton (and realistically she's almost worst) then absolutely it helps to have her motives questioned at every turn. One of the reasons Clinton did not aggressively pursue bin Laden was because it looked like he was trying to deflect from Lewinsky.
Russia wanted him to make a series of arguments that she was untrustworthy and dishonest and so therefore maybe shouldn't be believed about the need to confront Russia in Syria and Crimea and elsewhere. And yeah, Trump may have done that anyway, but if he did do it in exchange for a building with his name on it, then that's fucking treason, much less collusion. And I don't know that he did, but the most generous reading of the facts today gets us there.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:28 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
Trump could have mocked Hillary from the sidelines instead of going ALL-IN on an expensive, grueling two-year Presidential campaign where he torched every bridge he ever built. And despite being a successful real estate developer in New York City, he did all of this to get his name on a building in the grand daddy of them all: Moscow?
Do you even hear yourself right now? This is what your theory sounds like:
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:35 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
Seriously, please link to a single instance in which this campaign personally cost Trump money.
He's a dum dum and so a dum dum idea makes the most sense. At least to me and I seriously did not think he did anything wrong other than being stupid until today.
"Forbes attributes the drop to a decline in the value of his Manhattan real estate, his $25 million settlement to resolve a class action lawsuit filed against Trump University, and the $66 million he spent on his presidential campaign."
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:55 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
No proof of what? Whether running for president was a net financial gain/loss isn't the question. It's whether he made a quid pro quo with Russian officials for a building with his name on it or some other peppercorn.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:57 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
You're the one who chose to dwell on "expensive" instead of the rest of the argument
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:28 PM
Author: Get Thee To The Rapery
Trump could have mocked Hillary from the sidelines instead of going ALL-IN on an expensive, grueling two-year Presidential campaign where he torched every bridge he ever built. And despite being a successful real estate developer in New York City, he did all of this to get his name on a building in the grand daddy of them all: Moscow?
Do you even hear yourself right now? This is what your theory sounds like:
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:23 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
I responded. His marketability is not damaged at all by losing that election. He'd still be Donald Trump, a real estate billionaire who was not president. But the one thing I see DT lighting up about is a guarantee that he'll have his name on a building.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:29 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
His marketability was damaged by RUNNING in the election on the platform that he did. Conservatives love him now but liberals HATE him. Why alienate half his fan base for a building in Moscow?
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:34 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
But in the counterfactual I don't think that's true. I think there are a lot of people who are glad he ran so that Hillary could win. Personally, I voted for Trump and Hillary because I thought he was the only Republican she had a chance of beating. The Trump as Hillary plant idea was very pervasive in 2016 and he could have pivoted into that.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:38 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
Would you say the people "glad he ran" (who previously had a negative opinion of him) outnumber the number of people who now think he's "literally Hitler?" And now we've come all the way back to "Trump is still a Hillary plant?"
You may as well be talking gibberish because it's completely nonsense.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:42 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
As a member of the "glad he ran" so that she might have an actual chance group, I think I am totally lonely. The "literally Hitler" people are fucking nuts.
But the fact that I thought he was the only candidate she could beat does not mean I thought she induced him to run.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:49 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
So the guy who spent an entire lifetime building up his reputation as a "winner" launched himself into a two-year Presidential campaign with the INTENT to lose and ruin his entire life's work so that he could.....get his name on a building in Moscow?
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:51 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
No, I never said that. I said that in June/July 2016 no one thought he would win, including himself. And if he could get a building in Moscow with his name on it, then fuck yeah, great deal.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:56 PM Author: Greedy Telephone Clown
So he didn't intend to lose he just didn't think he would win? That doesn't change the fact that he built a lifetime reputation around being a WINNER and you're arguing that he entered into a two-year campaign EXPECTING to lose to get his name on some arbitrary building in Moscow which is just a really moronic, non-sensical theory.
Date: November 29th, 2018 7:48 PM Author: geriatric party of the first part
Guy who doesn’t understand how Trump does deals. Trump licenses his name to a developer. He doesn’t care if a deal actually gets financing. There was never an actual developer in Moscow serious about doing a licensing deal as Trump had zero name recognition in Russia. Name the developer.
In fairness, I don't think anyone can keep these emails straight. They did a poll right after the election and found "emails" was the most salient issue.
Also, keep in mind at the time Trump made that remark, different Russians had already begun releasing embarrassing DNC emails, so it was pretty clearly meant to be a joke acknowledging how it was helping him (but that he wasn't involved in directing it).
Date: November 29th, 2018 7:53 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
Fair enough, and yes, I've only had like 20 minutes to read this shit today. The Russians renewed their efforts to get more e-mails, having already had the DNC e-mails from their normal phishing operations.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:12 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
That's the crazy part! He is!
Okay fine, if I win, I'll be super friendly to Russia and not oppose anything you do. And if I lose, you'll give me a building with my name on it. And in exchange, I'll say that Hillary is crooked.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:26 PM Author: stimulating claret parlour
Sure. But he also can. And based on what got Flynn fucked up and started this entire ball rolling, he did.
And it probably started out as "I'm going to finally end the Cold War" in his mind but then got mixed in with "I won this election on my own. No Collusion!" and Donald Trump is just an old boomer who doesn't know what he's doing other than if it helps or hurts him.
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:39 PM Author: Supple corn cake
"Mr. Trump, this is President Putin. Now that you beat Hillary, you must do everything we say. If you don't, we will tell everyone that you agreed to do everything we say!"
Date: November 29th, 2018 8:47 PM Author: scarlet bonkers faggotry
Basically, yes. Why wouldn't this work? Of course, Russia need not "tell everyone that you agreed to do everything we say." Just whatever evidence they have of collusion/cooperation would be sufficient.
Date: November 29th, 2018 9:04 PM Author: Supple corn cake
Bro I'm MAF at libs right now for reducing us to a ttthird world banana republic. I'm honestly not sure why you aren't. And to think, it's not even for a worthy cause like eliminating slavery or ending a pointless war or fighting income inequality. It's literally 100% for the purpose of importing foreign nationalist voters who want handouts while appeasing boards of directors for multi-cons.
Date: November 29th, 2018 10:21 PM Author: painfully honest hominid
Yup. I think I will create a thread to warn others about him, and we can compile his creepy and blatant attempts to gather personal info, generally on conservatives.