Date: March 12th, 2019 6:01 PM Author: Bearded cumskin mexican
Investigations of College Admissions and Testing Bribery Scheme
Dozens of individuals involved in a nationwide conspiracy that facilitated cheating on college entrance exams and the admission of students to elite universities as purported athletic recruits were arrested by federal agents in multiple states and charged in documents unsealed on March 12, 2019, in federal court in Boston. Athletic coaches from Yale, Stanford, USC, Wake Forest and Georgetown, among others, are implicated, as well as parents and exam administrators.
Individuals who have questions or inquries about this case may send an email to the following address: USAMA.VictimAssistance@usdoj.gov
Below is a list of the defendants. The charging documents are attached at the bottom of this page.
Date: March 12th, 2019 7:27 PM Author: Red striped hyena haunted graveyard
Lol. Wtf?
"Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Massachusetts, a presidential candidate and a former school teacher, expressed outrage over the scandal in an interview Tuesday with ABC News.
"This is just stunning," Warren said. "To me this is just one more example of how the rich and powerful know how to take care of their own."
Date: March 12th, 2019 7:33 PM Author: Red striped hyena haunted graveyard
Hold up there, hoss.
USC President Wanda M. Austin addressed the scandal in a letter to the university community.
"The federal government has alleged that USC is a victim in a scheme perpetrated against the university by a long-time Athletics Department employee, one current coach and three former coaching staff, who were allegedly involved in a college admissions scheme and have been charged by the government on multiple charges," Austin wrote.
Date: March 12th, 2019 10:52 AM Author: Lake hell feces
"Those indicted allegedly paid bribes of up to $6 million to get their children into elite colleges, including Yale, Stanford, Georgetown and the University of Southern California, federal prosecutors said."
lmao how much did Georgetown's PR people pay to get them mentioned in that sentence
DIVERSITY of where their applicant pool comes from. USC wants to be seen as a national school, therefore they will to some degree cap how many locals they admit.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:03 AM Author: filthy laughsome cruise ship pistol
Boston Globe has the indictment but I can’t get it to load.
Yale women’s soccer coach (Rudolph!) apparently agreed to designate kids as recruited athletes in exchange for cash. I feel like their was a similar story with Penn basketball a while back.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:31 AM Author: salmon church building
There was - this has been going on at multiple schools for years. I remember the Penn story involving some 5'7" jewish kid from FL being designated as a D-1 basketball recruit lol.
Date: March 12th, 2019 2:21 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy aqua senate dopamine
If you are not familiar with the name Esformes, you might want to familiarize yourself a bit.
Only comment on the article-- from 2013: This is a joke right? I saw this kid play and I can’t stop laughing. He is terrible and his father is a joke. His father probably paid someone to write this.
An extremely bright individual, Morris is leaning heavily towards attending an Ivy league type of school such as Brown, Cal-Poly, Columbia, MIT, Harvard, Penn, USC, UCLA, or John Hopkins.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:14 AM Author: Rambunctious onyx home sweet tailpipe
"[Loughlin] agreed to pay bribes totaling $500,000 in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team -- despite the fact that they did not participate in crew -- thereby facilitating their admission to USC."
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:33 AM Author: boyish tanning salon laser beams
"536. Based on my knowledge, training and experience, and the facts set forth in this affidavit, I respectfully submit that there is probable cause to believe that the defendants conspired to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1349."
That probably carries some pretty serious penalties actually.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:38 AM Author: Wild thriller bbw corner
Wow, this is huge. It wasn't just bribing coaches - they also took the SAT/ACT for them and bribed the testing center people - these students must have really been dumb as fuck if they had to do that too.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:46 AM Author: razzle-dazzle disturbing brunch
In a way it's a severe indictment of corrupt morality in America. Everyone should play by the rules to ensure the integrity of the system? No, let's bribe huge and cheat relentlessly for not even that big of a reward.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:52 AM Author: richard clock (ggtp)
well you have to remember this is a family that produced multiple offspring too dumb to get into usc. fair chance the parents arent working with too much upstairs
Date: March 12th, 2019 12:32 PM Author: Black marvelous karate
Surprisingly, not these days. The schools with the big endowments don't start paying attention until your family starts hitting the seven figures. Fucking crazy.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:25 PM Author: Black marvelous karate
1400 median SAT is far from middling. It's fun to throw some jabs at them but the reality is that the vast majority of students applying for college don't have a shot in hell of getting in.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:45 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
I live in SoCal so i see how this works. Super study azn with top grades and SATs don’t get in. They go to UCLA (if they’re lucky). It’s all just so competitive now. USC only admits rich people which is dime a dozen in socal. so yeah, it’s impossible to get in without an angle. it’s kinda weird but half the people at my firm is always helping each other’s kids get into USC. And nobody goes for the ivies.
If you look at the indictment, pimco ceo and TPG senior guy are super focused on getting their kids into USC.
Also USC is more a networking thing than anything else. Their alums hire each other. Honestly if people want to stay in SoCal, you’d arguably do better with a USC degree than Harvard degree.
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:19 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
My children are 3 and under.
If they can get into USC, they can get into UCLA and that’s where they’d be going.
As for my peers, I work in finance and there’s a lot of rich USC alums around here, so they obviously all want their kids to go to USC. It’s a different thing than east coast prestige.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:13 PM Author: lascivious copper legend
This might explain my admission to USC. I'm an abject moron and was accepted to USC. I went to a different college, but an asian buddy of mine that was brilliant (compared to me) tried a few times to get into USC and was always rejected.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:58 AM Author: buff boltzmann
JFC. Can you imagine being such a failure as a parent that your kid needs to be bribed into Northeastern? Probably spent hundreds of thousands on private high school too.
Date: March 12th, 2019 11:54 AM Author: Slippery den
I am glad we have a diligence team of XO posters analyzing this massive complaint line by line. we are getting better updates here than on the briefing.
Date: March 12th, 2019 12:04 PM Author: Slippery den
all of the major cable networks carried the entire conference I think. plus they keep giving updates. I think this is going to be a big deal. people are obsessed with college admissions these days.
This story is huge because it gives shitlibs another excuse to RAGE at PRIVILEGED WHITE PEOPLE privileging themselves (by paying $250,000 to get into Northeastern)
Date: March 12th, 2019 12:24 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy aqua senate dopamine
Right. Even though it is a better example of how middle class whites (particularly males) are screwed over by admissions. Yeah, yeah, asians more so. But asians are superstudies with parents who know the best way to game the system. Most middle american whites are clueless about that shit.
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147. CW-1 went on in the call to tell McGLASHAN, in substance, that if they could get his son accepted to USC as a fake “kicker” or “punter,” his odds of admission would jump to 90 percent, as set forth in the excerpt below.
CW-1 So, you know, essentially she [Heinel] told me when I get all the paperwork together, and I gotta create this profile pic. So what I’ll probably need, if you guys have any pictures of him playing multiple sports, or something where you can kind of see his face a little bit in action?
McGLASHAN Umm. Hmm.
CW-1 It would be helpful because I will Photoshop him onto a kicker.
McGLASHAN (laughs) Okay. Okay. Let me look through what I have. Pretty funny. The way the world works these days is unbelievable.
CW-1 It’s totally cra-- like, last year I had a boy who did the water polo, and when the dad sent me the picture, he was way too high out of the water. That nobody would believe that anybody could get that high.
McGLASHAN Yeah--
CW-1 So I told that dad, I said, “What happened?” He said he was standing on the bottom! I said, “No no no no no.”
McGLASHAN Yeah exactly. You gotta be swimming. Exactly.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:36 PM Author: razzle-dazzle disturbing brunch
"Pretty funny. The way the world works these days is unbelievable," the father said as he paid a consultant $40k to photoshop his son as a fake athlete.
Date: March 12th, 2019 12:26 PM Author: Lake hell feces
Caplan (Chair of Willkie) seems like a sad situation, like his daughter is really fucked up or something (she goes to an "online high school") and he's legit trying to help. still LOL though
49. Later that same day, CW-1 had a follow-up call with CAPLAN in which he again explained, in substance, how the scheme worked, and in particular the need for CAPLAN’s daughter “to be stupid” when a psychologist evaluated her for learning disabilities in order to obtain the documentation necessary to obtain extended time on the exam.
CAPLAN Okay, so let me let me understand the two components. What is the, what is the,
the number?
CW-1 So the number-- the number--
CAPLAN --At Cornell for instance.
CW-1 Well, hold on a second. The number on the testing is $75,000. Okay? It’s $75,000 to get any test scores you would like to get on the SAT or ACT. Okay, that’s--
CAPLAN Explain to me how that works.
CW-1 I just explained it to you, faggot. You get extended time, you gotta get the extended time first. Then you’re going to fly to L.A. And you’re going to be going on a fake
recruiting visit. You’ll visit some schools, while you’re out here in L.A. And then on a Saturday, which is the national test day if it’s ACT or SAT, she’s going to sit
down and take the test. I will have a proctor in the room, that’s why, when you have 100% extended time, you have-- you get to take it at a-- you don’t take it
with everybody else, you get to take it over multiple days.
And you get to take it at a-- you can take it at your school or another school. Okay? And then this kid,
’cause she’s taking online classes, you have to go somewhere anyway.
So you come to my school, take the test on a Saturday. She’ll be in the room for six, six and a half hours taking this test. My proctor would then answer her questions, and
by the end of the day, she would leave, and my proctor would make sure she would gets a score that would be equivalent to the number that we need to get.
CAPLAN Well again, thanks for taking the time earlier today. Look, I’m particularly interested in working with you guys and figuring out what’s best for [my daughter]. She’s an interesting kid. I’m sure you’ve seen them all. But this notion of effectively going in, flying out to L.A., sitting with your proctor, and taking the exam is pretty interesting.
CW-1 It’s the homerun of homeruns.
CAPLAN And it works?
CW-1 Every time. (laughing)
CAPLAN (laughing)
CW-1 I mean, I’m sure I did 30 of them at different, you know, dates because there’s different dates, and they’re all families like yours, and they’re all kids that wouldn’t have perform[ed] as well, and then they did really well, and it was like, the kids thought, and it was so funny ’cause the kids will call me and say, “Maybe I should do that again. I did pretty well and if I took it again, I’ll do better even.”
Right? And they just have no idea that they didn’t even get the score that they thought they got.
CAPLAN Right.
CW-1 Which is great, that’s the way you want it. They feel good about themselves.
Date: March 12th, 2019 12:43 PM Author: Lake hell feces
chairman of a global law firm can't follow simple instructions. Caplan is also a little bitchboi throughout the conversations and is always like "well now, I am a lawyer, so I am wondering, what if we get caught?"
Date: March 12th, 2019 12:42 PM Author: Lake hell feces
that's just the formality for the athletic department (undoubtedly part of their "due diligence" while cashing the six-figure checks the parents sent in) after Singer has already bribed the coach in question.
Singer describes one photoshopped water polo pic that he needed the parents to redo because it showed the kid way out of the water (turns out the kid was just standing in the shallow end of the pool)
They were also able to actually raise some students' GPAs by signing up for and taking online college classes (getting an A), which somehow counted as "retaking" the high school class.
Date: March 12th, 2019 12:59 PM Author: Lake hell feces
read xo Greg Abbott and Marcia Abbott's section.
CW-1 Good thing that she did this for the ACT, ’cause her score was not exceptional.
MARCIA ABBOTT What? Excuse me what’d you say?
CW-1 I said it was a good thing that we did it for the first test.
MARCIA ABBOTT Oh yeah, my gosh, I mean, I’m sure her, you kidding me? She was gonna throw up like every single drug in the world for mono and lyme [disease]. I’m sure it was a disaster.
CW-1 She got, she got a 23.
MARCIA ABBOTT Yeah, that would be what I would have guessed at, 25, you know. So yeah, I mean, yeah, I don’t know.
..........................
GREGORY ABBOTT then inquired how his daughter would have scored in the absence of cheating. The following is an excerpt from the call, which was consensually recorded.
GREGORY ABBOTT Do you know how she did on her own?
CW-1 Do I know how she did on her own? Yeah, I do. She scored in the mid-600s.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:29 PM Author: dull crackhouse halford
Real Talk: Universities and their students are better off with the children of the privileged and wealthy. They become their biggest donors and help to create sorely needed socioeconomic diversity with all the nowags and poors being admitted left and right. Don't think for a second that the schools didn't turn a blind eye to this. Someones gotta pay for the Sheva Silverstein Chair of Israeli Women's Studies tenure and her "research", not to mention the new $20 million gym the volleyball team needs.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:45 PM Author: razzle-dazzle disturbing brunch
There's some truth to this... odd as it sounds it benefits prole strivers who gun their way into the Ivy League to rub shoulders with the idiot children of Saudi princes or whatever and learn how the world really works.
Date: March 12th, 2019 2:05 PM Author: dull crackhouse halford
Yeah, not just for the connections/social climbing, but these rich kids paying full freight subsidize the poors' scholarships and build them nice new dorms.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:33 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
What baffles me about this is that there are some super wealthy and purportedly smart people indicted (not just c list actresses) like the former ceo of pimco, top exec at TPG, cochair at Willkie etc. not only do their kids not need to attend any schools at all because they’re set for life, why would they go through such lengths like commit fraud to send them to not even elite schools. PIMCO guy wanted to send his son to LMU. It just doesn’t make any sense.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:41 PM Author: Black marvelous karate
Some of these kids were probably really big fuckups who wouldn't be able to get in anywhere. You send them to community college and they stick with their shit-bag cokehead friends who do nothing all day.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:44 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy aqua senate dopamine
I agree, but you are on xo and you wonder about people being obsessed with prestige (leaving aside LMU and Northeastern)? These people need to tell their peers that their kid goers to [prestigious school]. Hell, even with Northeastern, the choice between telling your colleague your kid goes to Northeastern vs. Delaware County Community College is easy.
My in-laws -- both ivy grads -- have smart kids but they aren't getting into an ivy or even prestigious LAC, but they will NOT send their kids to a state school. What would they tell their neighbors?
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:58 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
It doesn’t matter that their kids are dumb. They’re so rich that the kids will get in anywhere they apply because all the schools want are donations. It’s more the fact they they want to go to such lengths to basically guarantee admission rather than stick with a small chance that they don’t get admitted.
It's such a weird East-Coast class-signifier thing. Rich people in the West/Midwest/South have no problem with state schools and often send their kids to state flagships or even non-flagships.
My guess is that this is just the way things get done at these levels. They probably thought nothing of it and didn't see anything wrong with it. "My kid really wants to go to LMU. Okay, I'll work my contacts and make sure that happens." Money's no object, and I don't think they had any awareness of the risks.
Date: March 12th, 2019 2:52 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
No it’s not the way things are done at those levels. That is what’s shocking to me. Hiring admissions consultants to fake exams and athlete profiles and then having a record of it by wiring money and sending checks is not what’s done.
The way things are done is that you have a network of contacts and they put in a good word for you at the school and there’s an obvious deal made that you will donate heavily once kid gets in. But that requires a lot more legwork and typically more money. But these people have lots of money. So it surprises me that they didn’t go about it the legit way.
Well, apparently it was the way things were done at that level. Clearly, there were quite a few people caught up in this, so it's naïve to think it isn't even more widespread.
Maybe they went this route since it saved them a few bucks. "Smart" rich people scheme and commit fraud all the time (insider trading, ponzi schemes, etc.)
Okay, so, who we are-- what we do is we help the wealthiest families in the U.S. get their kids into school …. Every year there are-- is a group of families, especially where I am right now in the Bay Area, Palo Alto, I just flew in. That they want guarantees, they want this thing done. They don’t want to be messing around with this thing. And so they want in at certain schools. So I did 761 what I would call, “side doors.” There is a front door which means you get in on your own. The back door is through institutional advancement, which is ten times as much money. And I’ve created this side door in. Because the back door, when you go through institutional advancement, as you know, everybody’s got a friend of a friend, who knows somebody who knows somebody but there’s no guarantee, they’re just gonna give you a second look. My families want a guarantee. So, if you said to me ‘here’s our grades, here’s our scores, here’s our ability, and we want to go to X school’ and you give me one or two schools, and then I’ll go after those schools and try to get a guarantee done. So that, by the time, the summer of her senior year, before her senior year, hopefully we can have this thing done, so that in the fall, before December 15th, you already knows she’s in. Done. And you make a financial commitment. It depends on what school you want, may determine how much that actually is. But that’s kind of how the the side and back door work.
Date: March 12th, 2019 6:36 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
Where do you get smart and rich people committing fraud “all the time”? I don’t think fraud to this level is widespread at all amongst people who have a lot to lose. Shady behavior and gaming the system is widespread but fraud is not. If they found it, they would’ve indicted more than 50 people.
Part of being smart is understanding how to do technically legal but possibly shady things or, if you’re going to commit outright fraud, be smart enough to cover your tracks so it doesn’t get back to you.
These people were wiring money to a fake foundation and taking charitable write offs and leaving a huge paper trail. In fact, you have a head of an entire law firm doing this. That’s pretty shocking.
I think you're being naïve when it comes to these folks and their decision-making. I agree that it's likely a small percentage of the rich (and really seems to be more the nouveau riche, not old money) that go this route, but it's still clearly a substantial number as evidenced by the indictment. It's just human nature. A lot of people are selfish sociopathic shitheads, and I'm sure these idiots have gotten away with a hell of a lot of shady/illegal stuff over the course of their lives. They either think the rules do not pertain to them or that they will just never be held accountable. Hell, some of them probably just get off on gaming the gaming of the system.
I agree with you on the law firm dude. That was sort of shocking. He absolutely understood the risk to his career and still made what turned out to be a horrible, destructive decision.
Date: March 12th, 2019 7:46 PM Author: Black marvelous karate
How many times do you think that partner had some hilariously trumped up invoice sent to a client? What about the associates who are in on that? He's probably told some white lies on his income taxes like everyone else has. He assumed this was just some victim-less bs that the colleges (and all of the interested parties) knew about and looked the other way on. No different than "padding" hours and fudging a little on your income taxes.
Paying for a 4.0 @ any variety of respectable (Philips Academy, etc) or dubious (online) prep schools + dropping $100k for a test score is far easier and more cost effective then what you're describing and as evidenced by this indictment pretty fucking common. The chance of test score fraud being unearthed is pretty minimal, and the worst outcome for the kid themselves, assuming they're unaware, is they'll have to retake the exam.
The schools themselves do what they can to create these gray area opportunities to help facilitate it. Rich person only "sports" like crew, to a lesser extent LAX (white kid football), and now fencing (this is the big fraud sport du jour) exist as a life saver to pull in wealthy kids semi-legitimately in under the guise of athletic exception.
For those that are too incompetent to even wave a foil, sports are a well established fraud pathway with coaches already experienced in under the table payments. It's a possibility that it was the athletic bribery that got the attention of the FBI onto this case more than the test score shenanigans.
Date: March 12th, 2019 6:51 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
LOL at you talking to me about crew and LAX and fencing. I went to Dartmouth and it was filled with 50% boarding and prep school kids, many of whom were dumb. I know how this shit works.
In 99% of the cases, the kid actually does participate in the sport (if poorly) and the kid is somewhat dumber but not dumb as rocks (1200+ sat is fine). It’s scammy but kickbacks and other things are obscured as donations to the university, NOT to 3rd party foundation. That is normal way of doing business encouraged by the universities.
It is definitely not widespread that rich parents are hiring consultants to photoshop picture of kid’s face onto a water polo photo and literally fabricate every detail about them and have scores doctored and commit tax fraud. They have too much to lose to engage in outright illegal behavior.
And headmasters of schools like Phillips / Andover / Exeter / St.Paul's, I know how the game is played too, sweetie. I've also sat through the "pitch" at local places here like Nueva, Crystal Springs, and Harker where it's made pretty obvious that the admission counselor is basically handling the money brokership between you and the ad-com vis-a-vis your donations to their school. So yes, familiar with the "legal" method you're trying to argue is how wealthy people go about securing admissions that the universities themselves encourage.
That said, you're delusional, with this federal indictment as evidence, that there isn't also a large and thriving market of outright admissions fraud. The downside risk for test fraud is minimal at best; even that girl in Florida that the SAT caught on to just had to say "sorry, my bad, I'll retake it" and she was actually involved in the cheating. These parents went out of their way to keep their kids in the dark, meaning next to no negative implications for them even if caught.
The only thing outrageous and maybe less common is the athletic fabrication, and that is possibly what got the FBI onto all of this because they actively investigate NCAA schools.
Date: March 13th, 2019 2:14 PM Author: Razzmatazz mildly autistic antidepressant drug
Where did I say outright admissions fraud wasn’t widespread as a general matter? Nobody has to tell me the lengths people go through to gain admission. Not sure what your fb feed of ivy profs’ kids or sitting through meetings at whatever private schools in the Bay Area have to do with anything.
The fraud is much bigger than paying for some proctor to take the SATs and the risk they took are much higher than just “oops your daughter has to retake SAT.” They were wiring money to a “foundation” and taking tax write off after paying a bribe. If you read the actual indictment, one guy actually asked for the donation letter so he could write it off. These people were practically just begging for an IRS audit. People at the level of doug hodge and will mcglashan have the $5m to buy their way in and absolutely do not engage in that sort of shenanigans precisely due to the risks to their careers and reputation.
Sure, the mechanism by which Singer set up the payment scheme was higher risk, but that's how he took payments. It's like a vendor that only accepts Paypal, you're stuck using that option. Even wealthy people, if given the choice to cut a check for $5mil straight versus the option for the write-off are going to opt for the write off, they're hard wired to do it. Absolutely nothing about that is surprising if you understand the psychology of fraud and the behavior patterns associated with it.
You claim you're some expert on the admission process and tendencies of the wealthy in how they navigate the system based on your Dartmouth admit and working a service job in PE. That's great, but you're hardly more in tune with the college admissions process for kids today than I am. I live in ground zero of all this, have a social network that is far more obsessed than your band of USC brothers who pay you, am regularly invited to elite schools looking for my money, and I actually coached at a Palo Alto HS where I see first hand the lengths parents will go to and the risks they're willing to take.
You're real uptight this week, maybe pour yourself an extra glass or four tonight.
Date: March 14th, 2019 7:49 AM Author: territorial base
I'm going to side with Nutella here.
I also went to a fancy Ivy and saw some of this shady gaming the system happen. Maybe it's worse today but out of the thousands of applicants to these schools how many actually involve breaking the laws and outright cheating rather than bending the rules? There's a fine line but most people know not when to cross it. It sounds like you're seeing plenty of bending the rules and taking advantage of the gray areas but I doubt you're seeing outright fraud.
It's impressive that some of these parents who are so accomplished and successful would risk their reputation and career and a prison sentence over cheating on the SATs when it really makes no long term difference for their children if they had to go to Pepperdine instead of USC.
Date: March 12th, 2019 1:54 PM Author: frisky parlour
It is really endearing how many of the parents are really concerned that their kid never find out they bribed their way in. several are concerned that their kid sucks at sports and so will feel really out of place when all of a sudden they are on the USC water polo team or whatever. And they are pretty blunt that their kid isn't that smart but just want them to be happy.
Date: March 12th, 2019 2:40 PM Author: Spectacular Bespoke Roast Beef Locus
Apparently accreditation standards have tightened in the past decade or so, so the kids either needed reasonable test scores or what is effectively an athletic exemption.
Also at least some of these kids didn’t know about the scam. If daddy buys a wing of the med school the kid can figure it out. As can the kid’s peers and future employers. Like we all know Kushner was too stupid to get into Harvard even though he holds a degree.
I don't think anyone cares. It only surfaced with Kushner because he's famous and it was Harvard and people hate Trump. Nobody is going to sit there tracking every million-dollar donation to USC, which raises billions.
These kids are used to their parents being rich and doing this kind of shit - I don't think they'd be offended.
Date: March 12th, 2019 3:22 PM Author: Spectacular Bespoke Roast Beef Locus
For some, like those kids who sat in the test room and wrote down the answers the bribes proctor read to them, obviously don’t care. Those kids are sociopaths society should be worried about.
But there are other parents who don’t think their kids know, had the answers corrected after the fact, or had the kid take a practice test at home and lied to him and told him it was real while the proctor filled out the real exam. Caplan was hiding it from his wife and dotter. The dotter was testing at 20-22 so he scaled back his ask and got her a 31 instead of a 35. These parents went to great lengths to allow their kids to believe they succeeded on their merit and not because daddy committed fraud.
I understand not wanting to tell them about fraudulent illegal shit, but I don't think they'd mind knowing that their parents donated money to the school legally, which people do all the time.
USC probably gets 200M or so a year and 500K will place you in the top 50 or so donors for that year. and not like every single one above you has a kid entering USC that year
Clearly a $500k donation is not enough to guarantee admission into USC for their complete retard kids, and they know this, or they wouldn't go through all this illegal extra bullshit.
FYI USC raised $6 billion in donations from 2011 to 2017.
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:10 PM Author: razzle-dazzle disturbing brunch
this is one of the reasons I don't donate to my alma mater... elite schools are mostly 10-figure hedge funds that take bribes, why would I donate to that
Date: March 12th, 2019 2:34 PM Author: 180 Kitchen New Version
Any Wilkie associates still poasting here? If so can you please describe the overall atmosphere there right now? I imagine not a whole lot of work is getting done.
No, it was faked so the KID apparently thought he was taking a legit ACT at home proctored by parent while the paid test-taker in Houston took the real test. But what kid would ever believe this was real?
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:31 PM Author: Electric Whorehouse
It’s catnip for XO. Rich Hollywood libs skirting the rules and using their POWER to get into middle tier schools like USC, Georgetown, and Northeastern. All that money and they were still willing to risk it all for a sniff of prestige.
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:13 PM Author: federal learning disabled spot weed whacker
w/o reading the filings, my guess is this was 100% huffman and macy had no idea. from wikipedia:
Huffman attended The Putney School, a private boarding high school in Putney, Vermont and graduated from Interlochen Arts Academy in Michigan in 1981. She attended New York University, Circle in the Square Theatre School and the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art in London, England
Macy graduated from Allegany High School in Cumberland, Maryland in 1968, and went on to Bethany College in West Virginia where he studied veterinary medicine.[4] A 'wretched student' by his own admission, he transferred to Goddard College in rural Vermont, where he studied under playwright David Mamet.
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:27 PM Author: fishy gaped address
Ironic that Trump's FBI would bust this scheme when he most assuredly benefited from a similar one. Or maybe Fred Trump just did it the old fashion way and paid Penn directly to accept Donny Con's transfer app. Obviously, if he had cheated on the SATs and done well then he wouldn't need Michael Cohen to threaten the college board about releasing them.
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:47 PM Author: Black marvelous karate
Different time and most assuredly far less effort back then to get your kid in. The donation for admissions game is well known. All this scheming is on another level.
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:53 PM Author: azure disrespectful station
Penn hates Trump and I have heard from people in their alumni office that he hasn't given them shit. But apparently he may have caused the Trump foundation to give them something.
. On or about November 27, 2016, CW-1 directed Janke to create a fabricated basketball profile for MACFARLANE’s son. The basketball profile created by Janke falsely listed MACFARLANE’s son’s height as 6’1” and indicated that he played on his high school’s varsity basketball team from 2014 through 2016. In fact, records from MACFARLANE’s son’s high school indicate that MACFARLANE’s son did not play on the varsity basketball team until his senior year. And a personal statement for MACFARLANE’s son, drafted by CW-1 but ultimately not submitted to USC, described how he knew that his height (5’5”) would be a detriment to making his high school’s varsity basketball team
On or about August 10, 2017, CW-1 directed Janke to create an athletic profile for KIMMEL’s son. Janke inquired, via e-mail, what sport the profile should be for and whether there are “pictures or do I need to find one.” CW-1 responded: “pole vaulter” and asked her to find “pole vaulter pics.”
362. Janke prepared an athletic profile falsely describing KIMMEL’s son as an elite high school pole vaulter and including the following photograph purporting to be of KIMMEL’s son, but which, in fact, depicts another individual.
Date: March 12th, 2019 4:45 PM Author: Spectacular Bespoke Roast Beef Locus
Imagine paying a $250,000 bribe to get your dotter admitted to USC, and then she makes a YouTube video saying this:
“I don’t know how much of school I’m gonna attend but I’m gonna go in and talk to my deans and everyone, and hope that I can try and balance it all.... But I do want the experience of like game days, partying…I don’t really care about school, as you guys all know.”
In or about April 2016, FLAXMAN’s daughter took the ACT and received a score of 20 out of a possible 36. On or about September 12, 2016, FLAXMAN e-mailed CW-1 that his daughter took the “ACT this weekend and thought she did better than the last time. She actually finished the exam.” FLAXMAN’s daughter received a score of 24 on the September test.
Date: March 12th, 2019 6:08 PM Author: Spectacular Bespoke Roast Beef Locus
One mom paid hundos to get her kid into USC as a pole vaulter. Kid isn’t even a track athlete. So he gets to USC and his advisor says something to him about being a track athlete and he’s like “nope not me.” Then he gets emailed the track practice schedule. LJL at this kid thinking there is some hilarious mixup at USC and now finding out his mom is a felon and bribed the coach on his behalf.
Date: March 12th, 2019 6:25 PM Author: Spectacular Bespoke Roast Beef Locus
Mom arranges for Dotter 1 to cheat on ACT. Then arranges for Dotter 2 to cheat but doesn’t want Dotter 2 to know about either cheating episode. Last line is amazing.
JANAVS [CW-1], I had a question for you. So I was able to get [my younger daughter] the multiday ACT.
CW-1 Okay, you got her extended time multiple days, got it.
JANAVS Yes, so I got that, the only thing is h-- [my younger daughter] is not like [my older daughter]. I’m not [inaudible] works. She’s not stupid. So if I said to her, “Oh, well, we’re going to take it up at [CW-1]’s,” she’s going to wonder why. How do you do this without telling the kids what you’re doing?
CW-1 Oh, in most cases, Michelle, none of the kids know.
JANAVS No, I know that.
CW-1 Essentially what happens is they take the test with a proctor like they normally do and w--, and then so they take the test, they leave, and then the 157 proctor looks at what she’s already done and then whatever number that we’re trying to get, that’s what he works to get. So she doesn’t even know.
JANAVS Right, but how-- no, I understand, she won’t even know. But how do you explain [it] to her? Because I got the letter from the school and they said, “You know, you need to take it at the school.” Because remember last time they gave [inaudible] little bit of a hard time? How do you-- how do they work around that?
CW-1 So one of the ways you could do it is to say, “Listen, we’re going to take it on the weekend. And we don’t want you to miss any school.” Because it’s difficult when [inaudible] much class time. And we need to take this over a Saturday-Sunday. So we’re going to do [it] up there because they’ll administer the test over multiple days. But the school-- but-- but-- hold-- let’s go back. It doesn’t matter about the school at all. The issue is [your daughter]. The school-- school wants to be able to give it, but they don’t have to give it. So you don’t really have to say anything. For the school you could say that weekend you guys are going to be up in L.A. and [inaudible].
JANAVS That’s what we did last time. Yeah, so when-- well, [my daughter] is the issue. There’s two issues. Yeah. One is, you know-- I mean [my daughter] is more the issue because she’s going to say to me, “You know, well, why am I taking it up there?”
CW-1 And you’re just going to say, “We don’t want you to miss any school so we’re going to do this on a weekend up here because we g-- [inaudible] because it’s really easy, it’s convenient, and we can get it done over the weekend, you won’t miss any school.”
JANAVS So do you-- so I would actually have her go Saturday and Sunday to pretend like she’s taking it over multiple days.
CW-1 Well, if you want to do that, because she’s—
JANAVS She’s smart, she’s going to figure this out. Yeah, she’s going to say to me-- she already thinks I’m up to, like, no good.
CW-1 I got it. So let’s, yeah, so that’s what we would have to do is over multiple days.
JANAVS Okay. So then the other question is, if I want to sign her up-- or I’ve already signed her up for February. Or can I sign her up in December and not have it go through [her high school] at all?
CW-1 Well, no matter what it goes through. Because it’s her home school [inaudible] what we have to do is redirect the test to be-- to be given at [inaudible] site. So [inaudible] so stick with where you are. We’ll just redirect. She’s already signed up. We just have to redirect the materials to be sent like we did for [your older daughter].
JANAVS Okay. Okay. Right, I see. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, they’re not stupid either, but whatever, I don’t care. They can’t say anything to me. I mean they’re going to be suspicious that every kid I have does so well somewhere else, but that’s okay. So we’ll, I just didn’t-- I just didn’t want to have this conversation with [my younger daughter].
CW-1 No, no, totally get it, yeah. No, I totally get it.
JANAVS She’s totally different than [my older daughter]. Like she needs to really think she d-- [my older daughter] is like, “This test is such bullshit. I don’t really care. I don’t ever want to take it.” But [my younger daughter] is like actually studying to try and get a 34.
CW-1 Got it. Got it.
JANAVS So it would-- it would actually be a great boost to her. And [my older daughter] came to me and she says, “You’re not going to tell [my sister], are you?” I was like, “No.” Weird-- weird family dynamics, but every kid is different.
CAPLAN Yeah, absolutely, and there’s nothing, just ask you directly, there’s nothing that
the schools are concerned about with this, or have a problem with?
CW-1 Schools don’t know. Schools don’t know. That’s why you have to get 100% time or you have to get 50% multiple days. The only, so the way it works is, if you get 50% time you have to take it at a national test center okay? If you get
100% time you have to find a school that’ll actually give you the test. So, if she were at a traditional school, she would be taking it at that school. What I do is, I
always tell the family, “Oh, you got a bar mitzvah out of town that weekend, so you found a school to take it at,” and they go take it at our school and then they come home and they get a score. So the key is the testing, and we have to get the testing so that we show a discrepancy. It sounds like she has a discrepancy, but I need the discrepancies to be significant enough so that we don’t have to appeal and we can go forward. The fact that she’s in an online school, that may be helpful for us as well.
What I do is, I always tell the family, “Oh, you got a bar mitzvah out of town that weekend, so you found a school to take it at,”
What I do is, I always tell the family, “Oh, you got a bar mitzvah out of town that weekend, so you found a school to take it at,”
What I do is, I always tell the family, “Oh, you got a bar mitzvah out of town that weekend, so you found a school to take it at,”
What I do is, I always tell the family, “Oh, you got a bar mitzvah out of town that weekend, so you found a school to take it at,”
What I do is, I always tell the family, “Oh, you got a bar mitzvah out of town that weekend, so you found a school to take it at,”
Date: March 12th, 2019 8:41 PM Author: Provocative deranged office
In sum, is this basically a bunch of rich west coast people who want their dumb kids to go to good east coast school (USC for the real dumbs)? i.e., new (dumb) money trying to mix in with old money?
Date: March 12th, 2019 9:26 PM Author: Umber Sexy Dragon Nursing Home
How did the sports recruiting part of this work? The coach would say theyre a recruit but then the kids never joined the team? Seems like it'd be obvious
Date: March 12th, 2019 9:42 PM Author: sable stead
all the universities involved in this seem pretty big, might have been easy to slip through the cracks... or this sort of thing might have been why this whole thing was uncovered.
Date: March 13th, 2019 8:51 AM Author: Amethyst ungodly turdskin national
It's not that uncommon for people to quit sports teams and borderline immediately. Particularly some sham sport like crew where there are a million kids on the team, none of which are real athletes, they're just there for the Title IX match of a football team.
Date: March 12th, 2019 9:42 PM Author: Irradiated stage
you mean a bunch of rich actors, whose entire livelihood is based on being impostors and whores for pay, have no problem committing fraud and cheating to get their narcissistic children into college?
Date: March 13th, 2019 1:32 AM Author: canary talented fortuitous meteor organic girlfriend
Yes. Not even the SY outing, Barzini outing, 2016 election night, has been this active. This thread has it all: college admissions, GC, race, rich hot girls.
Date: March 13th, 2019 10:46 AM Author: violet frum preventive strike
Impressive because he needed to bring together three separate and rare moving parts: rich, morally flexible parents with kids who couldn't get into the universities the parents wanted them to; coaches or administrators at good schools willing to play ball; people who could proctor and bump up scores to the top couple percentiles.
Date: March 13th, 2019 11:51 AM Author: embarrassed to the bone pungent
i was wondering the same thing. it had to be word of mouth. i'm just wondering if he started this scheme from the beginning or realized that there was a need for this type of scheme eventually as he was building it
Date: March 13th, 2019 3:29 AM Author: Insanely creepy judgmental philosopher-king
I Laura Smith of the FBI “hold a Bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice-Economic Crimes Investigation and a Master’s degree in Accounting” —> does not mention which schools. Lol.
The high school counselor wrote back to HUFFMAN the next day, stating, “Now you will register [your daughter] for the December 3rd SAT ... Collegeboard considers double time a school based exam, so [our high school] is the test center. I will proctor test on Dec 4th & 5th and that’s the process in nutshell.” HUFFMAN forwarded the e-mail to CW-1 with the note,“Ruh Ro! Looks like [my daughter’s high school] wants to provide own proctor.” CW-1 responded, “We will speak about it.”
Date: March 13th, 2019 11:36 AM Author: Spectacular Bespoke Roast Beef Locus
This happened multiple times at different schools. It seems the resolution would usually be that the corrupt coach/admin at the university would then talk to the counselor and get them back in line. Though I think it could be inferred that some of these counselors were secretly paid off, too.
Some of these civil suits seem bogus. Like what fucking remedy are they looking for?
Jennifer Kay Toy, who previously taught in the Oakland Unified School District, alleges in the lawsuit filed in San Francisco County Superior Court that the actions of those implicated in the scheme prevented her son, Joshua Toy, from being admitted to several colleges ensnared in the scandal.
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Two Stanford University students on Wednesday filed a federal class-action lawsuit against Stanford, USC, UCLA, the University of San Diego, the University of Texas at Austin, Wake Forest University, Yale University and Georgetown University.
The students allege the rigged system denied them a fair chance to matriculate at the elite institutions and could tarnish their degrees from Stanford.
Most egregious Wake Forest trolling I've seen so far.