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NYTimes on the Democratic Debates: "Haha wow holy fucking shit"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-...
submissive hairraiser bawdyhouse dragon
  06/29/19
stopped reading at bret stephens also, http://xoxohth.com/t...
Cyan Philosopher-king Shrine
  06/29/19
the establishment HAS TO have the Dems preach this nonsense ...
Cocky laughsome hominid
  06/29/19
What a retarded take
unhinged heady center
  06/29/19
Tug of war between the two corporate teams - oops "part...
Cyan Philosopher-king Shrine
  06/29/19
we can walk through this nice and slow for you.. 1. what wo...
Cocky laughsome hominid
  06/29/19
bush jr would get elected every one of your durr durr propo...
glittery indirect expression
  06/29/19
this is the geriatric lemonparty fucktard who idolizes Mark ...
medicated galvanic pervert
  06/29/19
I do not "idolize" zuck...but i found it interesti...
Cocky laughsome hominid
  06/29/19
Lol you're a fucking retard
propecia mathematica
  06/29/19
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bateful pearl spot
  06/29/19
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exhilarant snowy lay
  06/29/19
Hmmmmm
umber curious liquid oxygen gas station
  06/29/19
I genuinely and sincerely hope for the sake of the country t...
exhilarant snowy lay
  06/29/19
Agree w all of it except for health care. Our system is comi...
stimulating brunch newt
  06/29/19
Tbf this is Bret Stephens
umber curious liquid oxygen gas station
  06/29/19
What does this mean
onyx demanding casino boistinker
  06/29/19
literally ever heard of this guy before, what’s his d...
medicated galvanic pervert
  06/29/19
So even nyt agrees trump won the debates. It's not just us!
onyx demanding casino boistinker
  06/29/19
the Third World-ization of America. Is he allowed to say ...
umber curious liquid oxygen gas station
  06/29/19
Paper of record says it is allowed
onyx demanding casino boistinker
  06/29/19
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orchid travel guidebook market
  06/29/19
Really smooth of (((stephens))) to bait and switch from &quo...
Cyan Philosopher-king Shrine
  06/29/19
"Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 m...
Rough-skinned locus organic girlfriend
  06/29/19
But there’s been a net negative on immigration for the...
wonderful station
  06/29/19
Lol
bateful pearl spot
  06/29/19
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exhilarant snowy lay
  06/29/19
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internet-worthy resort
  06/29/19


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Date: June 29th, 2019 7:57 AM
Author: submissive hairraiser bawdyhouse dragon

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/opinion/democrats-debate-2020.html

A Wretched Start for Democrats

By Bret StephensJune 28, 2019

Amigos demócratas,

Si ustedes siguen así, van a perder las elecciones. Y lo merecerán.

Translation for the linguistically benighted: “Democratic friends, if you go on like this, you’re going to lose the elections. And you’ll deserve it.”

In this week’s Democratic debates, it wasn’t just individual candidates who presented themselves to the public. It was also the party itself. What conclusions should ordinary people draw about what Democrats stand for, other than a thunderous repudiation of Donald Trump, and how they see America, other than as a land of unscrupulous profiteers and hapless victims?

Here’s what: a party that makes too many Americans feel like strangers in their own country. A party that puts more of its faith, and invests most of its efforts, in them instead of us.

They speak Spanish. We don’t. They are not U.S. citizens or legal residents. We are. They broke the rules to get into this country. We didn’t. They pay few or no taxes. We already pay most of those taxes. They willingly got themselves into debt. We’re asked to write it off. They don’t pay the premiums for private health insurance. We’re supposed to give up ours in exchange for some V.A.-type nightmare. They didn’t start enterprises that create employment and drive innovation. We’re expected to join the candidates in demonizing the job-creators, breaking up their businesses and taxing them to the hilt.

That was the broad gist of the Democratic message, in which the only honorable exceptions, like Maryland’s John Delaney and Colorado’s John Hickenlooper, came across as square dancers at a rave.

On closer inspection, the message got even worse.

Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 million undocumented immigrants at a time when there’s a migration crisis at the southern border? Every candidate at Thursday’s debate raised a hand for that one, in what was surely the evening’s best moment for the Trump campaign.

Calling for the decriminalization of border crossings (while opposing a wall)? That was a major theme of Wednesday’s debate, underlining the Republican contention that Democrats are a party of open borders, limitless amnesty and, in time, the Third World-ization of America.

Switching to Spanish? Memo to Beto O’Rourke and Cory Booker: If you can’t speak the language without a heavy American accent, don’t bother. It just reminds those of us who can that the only thing worse than an obnoxious gringo is a pandering one.

Eliminating private health insurance, an industry that employs more than 500,000 workers and insures 150 million? Elizabeth Warren, Bill de Blasio, Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris support it (though the California senator later recanted the position). Since Democrats are already committed to destroying the coal industry and seem inclined to turn Silicon Valley into a regulated utility, it’s worth asking: Just how much of the private economy are they even willing to keep?

And then there are the costs that Democrats want to impose on the country. Warren, for instance, favors universal child care (estimated cost, $70 billion a year), Medicare-For-All ($2.8 trillion to $3.2 trillion annually), student-debt cancellation and universal free college ($125 billion annually), and a comprehensive climate action plan ($2 trillion, including $100 billion in aid to poor countries), along with a raft of smaller giveaways, like debt relief for Puerto Rico.

As Everett Dirksen might have said: A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you’re talking real money. Someone will have to pay for all this, and it won’t just be the very rich making between seven and 10 figures a year. It will be you.

Throughout the debates, I kept wondering if any of the leading candidates would speak to Americans beyond the Democratic base. But Joe Biden seemed too feeble, oratorically and intellectually, to buck the self-defeating trend. Pete Buttigieg was, as always, fluent, knowledgeable and sincere. But his big moment — a mea culpa for a racially charged policing incident in South Bend — felt like another well-mannered white guy desperate to put his wokeness on display.

Harris, meanwhile, came across as Barack Obama in reverse, especially with her scurrilous attack on Biden for the sin of having had a functional political relationship with two former segregationist senators in the 1970s. This was portrayed as a clever debate move but it will come to haunt her.

Obama’s political genius was to emphasize what Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, authors of ‘The Coddling of the American Mind,” have called “common-humanity identity politics”— he made you feel comfortable no matter the color of your skin. Harris’s approach, by contrast, is “common-enemy identity politics.” Making white Americans feel racially on trial for views they may have held in the past on crime, busing and similar subjects is not going to help the Democrats.

None of this means that Democrats can’t win in 2020. The economy could take a bad turn. Or Trump could outdo himself in loathsomeness. But the Democratic Party we saw this week did even less to appeal beyond its base than the president. And at least his message is that he’s on their — make that our — side.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459392)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 7:58 AM
Author: Cyan Philosopher-king Shrine

stopped reading at bret stephens

also, Rate this 1897 quote on American conservatism

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459395)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 8:05 AM
Author: Cocky laughsome hominid

the establishment HAS TO have the Dems preach this nonsense because otherwise the white working class would stampede to the Dems and leave the gop forever...the gop offers NOTHING to the white working class...so the Dems have to push whites away from them...otherwise the Dems would have complete control of the govt

if the Dems held the white house and the house and senate by supermajorities, then they would have no excuse not to pass the populist legislation they promised...and the big corporations that control the media do not want that....they want a near balance in congress so that there is an excuse for not passing populist legislation

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459400)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 8:44 AM
Author: unhinged heady center

What a retarded take

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459462)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:13 AM
Author: Cyan Philosopher-king Shrine

Tug of war between the two corporate teams - oops "parties" - is one of the ways ((they)) keep you distracted

But libs always win in the end. When dems move left gop moves left too - or at least is relieved from pursuing "conservative" agenda. You have to vote for us because the other party is so much worse!!!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459510)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:19 AM
Author: Cocky laughsome hominid

we can walk through this nice and slow for you..

1. what would happen if Dem politicians just talked about single payer healthcare, taxing the rich more, spending less on the military, workers rights, more vacation time for workers, cutting college costs etc.? You tell me what would happen..go ahead...

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459521)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 2:33 PM
Author: glittery indirect expression

bush jr would get elected

every one of your durr durr proposals is arguable and the better position is not the dem position on most of them. the only exceptions depend on the circumstances

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38460670)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:43 AM
Author: medicated galvanic pervert

this is the geriatric lemonparty fucktard who idolizes Mark Zuckerberg

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459567)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 11:31 AM
Author: Cocky laughsome hominid

I do not "idolize" zuck...but i found it interesting how the media turned against his presidential ambitions...I don't think the media (and their corporate backers) want a president who cannot be controlled...zuck has too much money, and unlike trump, he cannot be controlled by threatening to prosecute his children for some bogus charge relating to his business activity...

you are like a child...naive, superficial, narrow and smug...how old are you?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459872)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 12:08 PM
Author: propecia mathematica (✅)

Lol you're a fucking retard

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459993)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 12:03 PM
Author: bateful pearl spot



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459980)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 12:02 PM
Author: exhilarant snowy lay



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459971)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:40 AM
Author: umber curious liquid oxygen gas station

Hmmmmm

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459552)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 12:03 PM
Author: exhilarant snowy lay

I genuinely and sincerely hope for the sake of the country that people with this outlook are making the important decisions for the Dems.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459979)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:22 AM
Author: stimulating brunch newt

Agree w all of it except for health care. Our system is comical, obvious on XO but these ppl never talk about the expensive and ridiculous licensing it requires to become a doctor. Whole ((($ystem))) is fraud

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459525)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:39 AM
Author: umber curious liquid oxygen gas station

Tbf this is Bret Stephens

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459549)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:43 AM
Author: onyx demanding casino boistinker

What does this mean

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459565)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:44 AM
Author: medicated galvanic pervert

literally ever heard of this guy before, what’s his deal

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459570)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:43 AM
Author: onyx demanding casino boistinker

So even nyt agrees trump won the debates. It's not just us!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459564)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:43 AM
Author: umber curious liquid oxygen gas station

the Third World-ization of America.

Is he allowed to say this?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459568)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 9:51 AM
Author: onyx demanding casino boistinker

Paper of record says it is allowed

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459589)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 1:21 PM
Author: orchid travel guidebook market



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38460326)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 10:02 AM
Author: Cyan Philosopher-king Shrine

Really smooth of (((stephens))) to bait and switch from "dems are crazy bc they support illegals" to "dems' populist economics won't win them the election bc it's...unpopular?"

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459636)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 11:28 AM
Author: Rough-skinned locus organic girlfriend

"Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 million undocumented immigrants at a time when there’s a migration crisis at the southern border?"

There are at least 30 million illegals in the US. This 11 million number is 20 years old.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459863)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 11:58 AM
Author: wonderful station

But there’s been a net negative on immigration for the past 15 years!!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459953)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 12:00 PM
Author: bateful pearl spot

Lol

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459962)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 12:04 PM
Author: exhilarant snowy lay



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459983)



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Date: June 29th, 2019 12:00 PM
Author: internet-worthy resort



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4292642&forum_id=2#38459961)