Like look at this, he gets into a bunch of bullshit and almost glosses over phenotype completely: https://heartiste.org/dating-market-value-test-for-men/

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45961130)

Just think about it logically, women only had access to their local chad, chad lite etc, but they couldnt all share them in the era before industrialized casual sex (of course people still cheated and shared men in 2006, but it wasnt as efficient as the swipe apps allowing the phenotypic elite & fast casual sex to just completely make settling a thing of the past

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963254)

the desire was there, the demand was there, but noone could really solve the logistics of it all until women were given a computer a retard could operate

like if every girl in a town just bent over for 1 guy, the town would tear itself apart, but if its happening per capita technologically mediated in private....sorry goyim.....

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963314)

i went back and read a bunch of the blogs/material from that era about a year and a half ago and it was surreal to read through. a lot of totally ridiculous laughable stuff when contrasted with today's knowledge on the subject

it's very telling that heartiste completely abandoned talking about women and now just runs 1488 shtick instead. there's nothing even useful to say anymore about women except that 1. they want chad, 2. if you're not chad, they will never want you 3. you can pretend to be chad if you want to at least fuck women and you can have some limited success with them this way

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963312)

anyway I had the same thought and it inspired this thread, but I did it without actually "reading" the old blogs. Regale us with tales of the naivete of Roosh and Roissy circa ITE.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963344)

some of the things i can think of off the top of my head:

-there was a "dark triad" meme for a long time that referred to the fact that women are attracted to men who are psychopathic, narcissistic, and sadistic. like yeah, it's true that these qualities are more attractive than not having these qualities, but women just want chad. they're going to choose the guy with a chad phenotype over some "dark triad" non-chad every single time

-all kinds of obsessing about how to dress and carry yourself. doesn't matter. if you're not chad, this shit doesn't matter at all. chad phenotypes can wear literally anything and they will still attract all of the women in the room over some well-dressed guy who isn't chad

-way back in like the late 2000s (?) there were these 'first mover' PUA types that were just straight up total losers. like there was this "Styles" dude and "Mystery" who were just total fucking losers with blatantly beta loser phenotypes who went around dressed up in ridiculous outfits to nightclubs and would hit on every single female there until they found one drunk enough to have sex with them, then they would run shtick about how they had "solved women"

-people absolutely refused to admit the salience and truth of immutable characteristics like height and race. you'd see posts by indian guys or short guys expressing frustration that no women liked them, and they'd get dogpiled by dozens of poasters bashing them and saying stuff like "women don't like you because you have a beta victim attitude." of course these guys were 100% right in thinking that women will never like them because of their unattractive phenotypes, and these threads are completely fucking insane to read through

i might come back and edit this with more stuff later if i think of it

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963437)

The latter must have been totally particular to the PUA scene. Some of my earliest poasting memories on ezboards consisted of Tall Guys posting their heights and being praised, while the Short garnered negative karma.

Clique theory drove a stake through a lot of this imo, to its credit. In retrospect, it was a reaction to a lot of this bullshit and it needed to be called out because believing some of this nonsense has effects on irl outside of dating. Imagine thinking that "carrying yourself" in a particular way in a job interview means fucking anything. Losers needed to get their fucking heads out of the sand if they were going to advance economically imho. And now, many have. OYT makes $400,000k. boomerboat has a $600k net worth. Discuss.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963755)

Back on subject, Roissy was actually an incredible writer. Roosh was capable of decent content, but Roissy's best content was remarkable.

As noted by others, that entire industry was gutted by dating apps, Instagram, and clicking for Chad.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45964065)

-Also these fag loser pua guys were not successful whatsoever in LTR framework where the women realized they bunned up with beta faggot trash

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45966192)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5294300&forum_id=2#45963389)