Date: April 8th, 2024 2:05 PM Author: ultramarine crawly tanning salon haunted graveyard
I'd rank it in the top 5, and underrated aspect is that as compared to most cuisines cheap mass market version, basic bitch mexican tex mex restaurants are almost always pretty damn good anywhere you go
Date: April 8th, 2024 2:12 PM Author: racy fantasy-prone preventive strike base
It’s in the running for best overall imo. People will give you bullshit about French and how they created “techniques” without knowing what the fuck they are talking about, but on a daily basis no one prefers birdshit French food to the variety and flavor of Mexican.
I would still put something like Lebanese over Mexican but it’s really very close and I wouldn’t blame you for preferring one over the other.
Date: April 8th, 2024 2:36 PM Author: Arousing alpha
mexican cuisine is a derivative of spanish cuisine, which is a smorgasbord of the conquerors of the iberian peninsula, namely french and middle eastern. i get that people like eating tex mex in the US, but among world cuisines, its not even top 10.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:36 PM Author: Arousing alpha
its not necessarily bad, but knowing where something comes from and its purest forms helps to understand and appreciate the derivative more, or sometimes less. take the fusion of mexican and asian that is increasingly popular in california, is this a new cuisine? or is it just some bastard local hapa child? what exactly is a burrito filled with bulgogi, or using american barbecue in nigiri? at what point does something become bigger and novel?
without a doubt, new world vegetables and spices, especially the magic 8, transformed european cuisines. european food changed dramatically post columbus. this by far is the greatest contribution from pre columbian american cultures on food, not just in europe but cuisines around the world.
but "mexican" food on its own is a dead end. it is not going to be elevated or grow into something better like french or asian food post columbus after the introduction of new world vegetables and spices. take the cacao bean, one of the magic eight. it had been in the americas forever, but it only became coffee after its arrival in europe. truly great cuisines grow and become better. mexican food is the same as it has ever been.
as tommy alluded down thread, there is no demand for "mexican" food in the world, so that should tell you something even as the world is becoming seemingly smaller and flatter, where you can get almost any food or ingredient anywhere in the world. you could make an argument for tex-mex (which is what i really think americans enjoy and what you think of as mexican food), but most mexicans look at tex-mex with disdain as some american red headed step child. but mexican food as a cuisine is not going anywhere. if thanos killed all the mexicans in the world with a snap of his fingers, only tex mex would remain. nobody else would give a shit about mexican food.
Date: April 8th, 2024 7:06 PM Author: racy fantasy-prone preventive strike base
the mexican diaspora is poorer and doesn't travel far from home.
the transformation you mention of european cuisines with new world spices just happened in reverse in mexico. they used european techniques and ingredients in conjunction with the local ingredients and knowledge to create something truly different. if that's not elevation what is? i think you're trying to make a distinction but i don't think it's a good one. it's simply not true to say that mexican cuisine is the same as it has ever been.
tex-mex is great but i love authentic mexican food as well. there is great variety in authentic mexican cuisine--from seafood in ensanada to poultry to red meat, they have it all, and it is all complemented with some truly unique flavors from the chiles and salsas that are not as commonly used elsewhere.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:32 PM Author: mischievous aromatic forum
this is partially correct. the spanish brought over almost all the protein and many of the other key staple ingredients used in typical mexican cuisine and the french added most of the techniques, especially in baking. without them mexican cuisine would be a 120 amerindian shitfest of pounded cornmeal, beans, and cactus with chile peppers, watery avocado, and crickets or dry turkey.
just about everything you're thinking of when you think of "mexican food" is french or spanish techniques with spanish or north african ingredients.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:38 PM Author: mischievous aromatic forum
yes, those are indigenous foods to mexico and still exist in the cuisine.
meanwhile, the spanish brought pork, chicken, beef, goat, lamb, rice, sugar, oil, vinegar, dairy, wheat, onions, garlic, lime, and the technique of frying, none of which existed in the new world beforehand.
Date: April 8th, 2024 2:32 PM Author: Well-lubricated love of her life
Mexican gets a knock for mediocre desserts. As a fatass sugar addict, it’s interesting to me that white countries like Germany generally have bland food, but some of the best desserts in the world (which is why I give #1 to France: contender for entrees and sides, but #1 for desserts by a landslide). Italy is outstanding but mediocre desserts, Asia in general is dogshit for desserts despite having better food than Europe overall. India and the Middle East are both contenders for high tier mains and desserts.
All that said, most Mexican food is some variation on corn tortillas and a meat/cheese/veggie filling, which combined with some sort of sauce/salsa is a perfect everyday staple. Mediterranean staples are healthier and probably best tasting when normalized for nutrition, but for pure taste Mexican food is hard to beat as a staple.
Date: April 8th, 2024 2:45 PM Author: racy fantasy-prone preventive strike base
I think you're being a little harsh on the desserts. Tres leches, flan, and churros are a respectable trio. What are your favorite Indian or Middle Eastern desserts that you would say are definitively better than those three besides baklava? Knafeh, gulab jamun, the various overly sweet Indian desserts, I wouldn't say any of those are a tier above.
As far as desserts go I think the French really define the category. Even Asian desserts borrow heavily from the French.
Mexico suffers from a lack of good bread. I think that's the biggest problem area.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:02 PM Author: Well-lubricated love of her life
Rose water flavored kheer and similar rice puddings to balance out extreme honey/sugar flavors is 180 to me, but YMMV. Carmel cake, flan, etc. gets old. My theory is that Europe laps the pack here and on haute cuisine since it was the wealthiest region when food culture was developing and these are pure luxuries. Still not an excuse for the worst everyman staples this side of Africa (which is of course the worst food in the world in every respect).
Mexico pretty much just does chips instead of bread, which is an acceptable substitute to me.
Date: April 8th, 2024 8:48 PM Author: Floppy church building new version
There are entire Indian 'sweet shops' you can go to with nothing other than various regional desert dishes. Dozens of them usually. Never seen a Mexican dessert shop or bakery or something similar. Not to knock the Mexican desserts you listed, but quantity plays a role as well as quality here.
Date: April 8th, 2024 2:49 PM Author: racy fantasy-prone preventive strike base
Lebanese over French for me but it's not an argument I'd win based on culinary techniques. But food has to be accessible and too many French mains are shrouded in secrecy imo.
Date: April 8th, 2024 2:49 PM Author: cream cracking international law enforcement agency national
its good but the fact in 99% of the world u cannot find good mexican food is a huge indictment of beaners
i mean outside southwestern US and mexico itself its rare to find good mexican even in central and south america
its an ambination.. all the other great cuisines of the world, turkish lebanese indian thai jap chink can be found in many places but mexican? ljl most of them time its fraud and lies even in NYC its fraud
Date: April 8th, 2024 2:59 PM Author: marvelous outnumbered tank
mexicans dont tend to emigrate anywhere other than the US so its hard to find decent food. it's mostly sps. there were good mexican places in spain though.
in the US it suffers from that same problem that chinese and indian food does - fatass amerikkkans just want a shit ton of low quality food for cheap. it's so much more than rice and beans
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:07 PM Author: Well-lubricated love of her life
I agree with your general point but every top 50 city in the US has several very good Mexican restaurants… it’s just that in the SW it’s everywhere, even in smaller towns. Basically the quantity and quality curves both shift significantly depending on how many Mexicans are in the area.
My guess is that the Mexican diaspora sucks because the USA is so close. I know you aren’t a fan of America, but I get why with America next door very few poor Mexicans are going to bust their asses trying to get to Asia or Europe to open a restaurant.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:10 PM Author: cream cracking international law enforcement agency national
even in NYC and DC was tough finding good mexican, esp cheaper places like u can find in LA or SF
mexicans are just lazy and not really that business oriented, an asian group wld realize there's money to be made moving some random place to open a resto but beaners are just content being beaners
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:04 PM Author: topaz boiling water elastic band
In no particular order: Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, and Italian restaurants are way more popular around the world. These cuisines have a wider variety of dishes and the numbers don’t lie that more people prefer these types of foods as compared to Mexican. Mexican food is good, but no way is it top 3 and LJL at your camel fucking ass putting Lebanese anywhere near those.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:18 PM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
LJL at sneeringly condemning Thai food as "just another mishmash of [the same three ingredients] yummmmm" in a thread where you are are simultaneously extolling the many splendored culinary glories of, uh... Mexican food.
Sit down for this "amigo," I'm going to let you in on a shocking secret that will blow your mind -- you'll never look at "tacos" and "burritos" and "nachos" and "fajitas" and "chalupas" and "chimichangas" the same way again!
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:24 PM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
Except that's not what you said above, instead you shit on Thai food for being "just the same three ingredients over and over again with slight variations" even though you're also waxing rhapsodic about how INCREDIBLY VARIED Mexican food is (LJL).
Oh wow yeah that's a great point of distinction between these two cuisines you abject fucking retard.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:27 PM Author: racy fantasy-prone preventive strike base
Except Mexican is not the same three ingredients over and over and Hank was just being hyperbolic about Thai. NPB is just a loser who probably got a 300 baht stipend for that shitpoast.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:26 PM Author: marvelous outnumbered tank
real thai food is a layered complex mix of flavors. ive posted about this here before, but thai food in america is literally sysco slop manufactured by the thai government. all the restaurants have the same menu and same supply management to make their food uniform.
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:27 PM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
Ironically, this is EXACTLY what this guy (and other Mexican Food Maxmos) say about REAL Mexican food whenever anyone points out that in America, "Mexican food" is literally just the same six ingredients served up in slightly different formats.
Almost like this is the dumbest possible "distinction" anyone could ever attempt to draw to differentiate these two cuisines, because they're actually basically identical in this regard and anyone with half a brain realizes that.
"Nooooo, look, trust me, it's TOTALLY different for REASONS!"
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:13 PM Author: ultramarine crawly tanning salon haunted graveyard
their salsas are quite varied and among the best sauces you can get when done well, also pretty labor intensive
the basic corn tortilla with meat and toppings with so many variations is top tier peasant food that you'd have to be insane not to think is delicious in so many forms
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:30 PM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
"Real Thai food is all just three coconut sauces or whatever, by contrast *REAL* Mexican food has HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT SUBTLY NUANCED SALSA PREPARATIONS -- trust me, it's night and day, I know these things I'm a CULTURED GOURMAND, I'm not just a retard American fatass who has been to Mexico a few times (because it's right next door) but has never spent any real time in Thailand (because it's far away)."
LJL at the retard level rationalizations going on ITT, jfc. I actually love Mexican food but faggots like you are making me hate it. Take your filthy 90 IQ diabetic ass back to the barrio, Jose.
Date: April 8th, 2024 4:19 PM Author: ultramarine crawly tanning salon haunted graveyard
eh, my hometown has several thai restaurants owned by a thai family that shuts down to go back to thailand every year with dozens and dozens of menu items in total, idk where they are hiding the good stuff
Date: April 8th, 2024 4:24 PM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
Oh wow, your little faggot ass town in America has SEVERAL Thai restaurants owned by REAL Thai people, you basically have a vacation home in Phuket!
Sit down for this again: I've been to plenty of Mexican restaurants across America that are owned by REAL Mexican people, and they almost uniformly serve the same six basic ingredients prepared in slightly different permutations over and over again -- just like I've stated repeatedly ITT.
Date: April 8th, 2024 4:27 PM Author: ultramarine crawly tanning salon haunted graveyard
ok, name a dish you think they don't have, because if you start looking for everyone's favorite thai food, they tend to have it and it just isn't good, the thai people have an odd palate
Date: April 8th, 2024 4:29 PM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
No you're right, REAL Thai food is basic bitch shit and what you eat at your local Thai restaurant in America is basically the real deal that you would get over in BKK.
By contrast, REAL Mexican food is mindblowingly complex, and the reason that Mexican food in America often seems simple and dumbed down is just because America made it that way, you need to go to Mexico to try the REAL stuff.
You have truly figured it all out and aren't just being an obnoxious obtuse little faggot ITT, anyway enjoy your infinitely varied and incredibly complex chimichangas, Juan.
Date: April 8th, 2024 4:32 PM Author: ultramarine crawly tanning salon haunted graveyard
I didn't say that, I said basic bitch mexican is surprisingly good and you can get more complex stuff in America, especially in the last few years
basic bitch thai food is nasty and unless they have special peanut sauce they are hiding from whitey I don't think the authentic version of any of the famous dishes everyone talks about are likely to change my mind
Date: April 8th, 2024 3:29 PM Author: racy fantasy-prone preventive strike base
Salsas, meats, beans, stews, tons of variety. It’s best to not engage the goys. They probably reduce every cuisine like this. French is baguettes croissant and crepes. Japanese is teriyaki, sushi and uh, edamame. Etc.
Date: April 8th, 2024 8:26 PM Author: puce bull headed stag film
lolololol at Lebanon
The best beef is from Japan or Argentina, shout outs to USA and Brazil for making huge quantities of really good shit per capita. But LOL at the Netherlands and Belgian shit they serve in most of Europe. It's rubbish.
The best chicken is from France in terms of pure quality, with special recognition for India for Tandoori preparation. France also takes top billing in duck, goose, pigeon, ortolan, and squab, though Hudson Valley foie gras is as good as anything they make in France.
The best pork production is from Germany, Japan, and US, with high honors for Korea and China for preparation (but not cultivation).
The best lamb is from New Zealand or Australia (in terms of cultivation), shouts to Greece/Turkey and possibly Lebanon for preparation. I had a Cretian lamb neck this year that was one of the best flavored lamb dishes I've had in years.
If you want horse, you're eating French or Swiss, where it is actually quite good.
America (and Canada) produce the tops of everything else, including venison, buffalo, rabbit, elk, quail, pheasant, etc.
Mexico is the best at producing...crickets? And Lebanon produces jack shit on the global stage, but I guess they grind up meat from other countries and turn it into kebabs, so, uh kudos to them for that.
Date: April 9th, 2024 11:44 AM Author: bespoke exciting striped hyena
yeah that's not indian, thai, or sushi. mexican is what, rice beans and sauce? oh yeah tons better, faggot. no such thing as a "fancy" mexican place either, as it's peasant food.
Date: April 9th, 2024 2:10 PM Author: ultramarine crawly tanning salon haunted graveyard
peasant food is usually the best food, the most popular french dishes are peasant food, the most popular british dishes are peasant food, the most popular asian dishes are peasant food, the most popular southern dishes are peasant food etc etc etc
Date: April 8th, 2024 8:09 PM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
No, you don't understand -- the "basic bitch" Mexican you get in America is shockingly great, but it's not like the REAL Mexican food you get in Mexico which has an array of infinitely subtle flavor nuances that would make Isaac Newton weep at their sheer complexity.
This is as opposed to Thai food, which is just shit from top to bottom no matter how you slice or where you get it, and also the stuff you get at your local "Thai Restaurant" in Bumblefuck, Connecticut is basically the same shit they serve in Phuket and it's probably because those retards only use like the same four ingredients in every dish they make god what kind of cuisine even is that? (Trust me on this.)
The science is settled and anyone who disagrees with this is like a Jew or something, idk anyway just trust me I know these things (haha yeah).
Date: April 8th, 2024 8:39 PM Author: puce bull headed stag film
None of these poaster live in Connecticut. Trust me, I know these things.
And I don't get you Stanning Thai food, which is a good, cheap, spicy eat with some meaningful regional variety (maybe 4 regions), but which consists almost exclusively of tiny pieces of protein with large amounts of starch and lacks the breadth/nuance/delicacy/attention to ingredient quality/variety of Japanese food or the texture/depth/regional variation of Chinese food. Thai is good, but IMO the Asian food hierarchy is Japanese >> Chinese > Thai = Korean > Malaysian = Vietnamese. I really enjoy certain parts of all of these cuisines and have eaten them in their own countries--I'm just saying we can't pretend countries like Vietnam have the same level of cultural attachment to the cultivation and preparation of food as places like Japan or China. I'm 0% shitlib, but part of this is due to historic wealth, geographical realities, wars, and yes, colonialism.
Date: April 9th, 2024 3:01 AM Author: vibrant olive candlestick maker stock car
To be fair,
Real talk, I actually prefer Mexican to Thai food -- that's what's so crazy about all of this. And I agree with you that Thai is not the POTUS of Asian foods, although I also do thoroughly enjoy Thai.
But it's just LJL for preening faggots ITT to be pretending that the problem with Thai that disqualifies it from the discussion is that in it's just basic bitch shit and every dish is made with the same four ingredients... meanwhile, btw just in case you dumb Pad See Ew slurping proles didn't know this, MEXICAN FOOD ITH THOOOO COMPLEX AND NUANCED OMGGGGGG DID U EVEN KNO THAT THERE ARE 1000 DIFFERENT THUBTLE VARIATIONTH OF THALTHA THAT ARE ALL THOOOO DIFFERENT AND THPLENDID IN THEIR OWN UNIQUE WAYTH MMMMM YUM YUM TRUST ME I'M A GOURMAND.
Yes, Mexican is great and is actually more complex in its "real" state than most people realize. So is Thai. And also, every single criticism that can be levied at Thai food can also be (and is) levied at Mexican food. It's just peak faggotry to try and pretend otherwise.
Date: April 8th, 2024 11:15 PM Author: Fighting brass pit
If I were a rich Chad of distinguished pedigree, I would take TBF out to the ethnic dining experience of her choice, and with no budgetary limit, because some ethnically ambiguous Helen of Troy-caliber women are worth simping for (in whichever South Asian language and custom of courtship is most respectful and appropriate)…
…But because, in actuality, I’m a gay retard living my life as a humble golden retriever, I will simply enjoy the daydream 🦋
Date: July 28th, 2024 10:34 PM Author: Awkward Yellow Native Old Irish Cottage
Japanese is overrated IMO. Sushi is nice when you're in the mood. I can do without the rest of it, generally pretty boring stuff. Too much fried stuff.