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People like Francis Fukuyama who are not actual professional academics

You assume these people are professors somewhere but they're...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
Richard Hanania Barack Obama
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
Fukuyama has been a senior fellow at the Freeman Spogli Inst...
Poppy Supple Hell
  08/02/24
Neither of those "professor" gigs were tenure trac...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
goalpost look heavy
Poppy Supple Hell
  08/02/24
I know far less accomplished people who copped dat tenure tr...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
so first you flamed him for not being a professor anywhere. ...
Poppy Supple Hell
  08/02/24
He's not a professor anywhere. Doing contract gigs at depart...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
he was an endowed chair. those are all tenured positions, s...
doobsian striped hyena
  08/02/24
What? lol if anything it's the opposite. Normal career traje...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
you're retarded and wrong.
doobsian striped hyena
  08/02/24
(Michael McFaul)
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
endowed chairs are a higher honor than tenure, or even a reg...
doobsian striped hyena
  08/02/24
I'm not saying Francis Fukuyama isn't prestigious. But why d...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
As proof of the prestige of endowed professorships
Gay razzmatazz jap
  08/02/24
I believe Fukuyama was a legit professor at SAIS and taught ...
territorial casino
  08/02/24
Who on earth is claiming they had Francis Fukuyama as their ...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
I don’t think anyone’s claiming that. A school c...
territorial casino
  08/02/24
Ok, the latter are what I call professional academics. The f...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
lol ding fag. nobody creates an endowed chair for a non-ten...
doobsian striped hyena
  08/02/24
Be specific. Who is no one? Who is the fag here?
faglord
  08/02/24
you are a schizophrenic jewish retard
doobsian striped hyena
  08/02/24
Non-tenure track faculty can be appointed to endowed chairs ...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
can any serious academician cite Francis Fukayama and his di...
Brussels Sprout (Apropos of the Wet Snow)
  08/02/24
Everything he writes seems written to flatter someone. "...
Awkward Nowag
  08/02/24
we need more threads debating the preftige of random academi...
Poppy Supple Hell
  08/02/24
He's not an academic, he's a public intellectual.. True s...
Awkward Nowag
  08/03/24
"Lex Fridman" seems like the textbook example of t...
Pumonymous
  08/03/24
Agreed. On Fukuyama - who I have "met" - he is ...
onyx harsh turdskin
  08/03/24
What first brought this to my attention was Sean Carroll's p...
Awkward Nowag
  08/03/24
i mean he wrote the most used text book on general relativit...
Lavender piazza associate
  08/03/24
He was saying that fucks you if you don't already have tenur...
Awkward Nowag
  08/03/24
only tenured professors are academics now?
Adventurous Quadroon
  08/03/24
Why can't you at least quote me accurately? I said "pro...
Awkward Nowag
  08/03/24
More like Francis Fuck-yo-momma amirite
Startled Cowardly Hospital Toaster
  08/03/24
Can't speak Japanese.
Awkward Nowag
  08/03/24
Who can
Startled Cowardly Hospital Toaster
  08/03/24
cq
Awkward Nowag
  08/03/24
Thomas Sowell
Awkward Nowag
  08/03/24
This author is also like that but he has damn good excuse. A...
Awkward Nowag
  08/18/24


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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:09 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

You assume these people are professors somewhere but they're not.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922556)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:11 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Richard Hanania

Barack Obama

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922559)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:13 PM
Author: Poppy Supple Hell

Fukuyama has been a senior fellow at the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies since July 2010 and the Mosbacher Director of the Center on Democracy, Development and the Rule of Law at Stanford University.[6] In August 2019, he was named director of the Ford Dorsey Master's in International Policy at Stanford.[7]

Before that, he served as a professor and director of the International Development program at the School of Advanced International Studies of Johns Hopkins University. Previously, he was Omer L. and Nancy Hirst Professor of Public Policy at the School of Public Policy at George Mason University.[6]

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922571)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:17 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Neither of those "professor" gigs were tenure track positions. Furthermore Hopkins "political science" is a big red flag. Ashraf Ghani was a professor of political science at Hopkins at the time he fled Afghanistan in a helicopter full of cash. He wrote books too, same as Fukuyama.

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/fixing-failed-states-9780195398618

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922580)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:18 PM
Author: Poppy Supple Hell

goalpost look heavy

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922581)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:23 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

I know far less accomplished people who copped dat tenure track. Shit, Karlstack even did a hit on one.

I also know there are tons of famous "thinkers" who never smelled tenure. Like Sean Carroll.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922594)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:25 PM
Author: Poppy Supple Hell

so first you flamed him for not being a professor anywhere. that factual claim disproven, you seem to want to imply that he's not prestigious because he didn't get a tenure track gig somewhere - implying that some no-name professor of poli sci on DAT TENURE TRACK at Directional Rectangular State U is somehow more prestigious than THE Francis Yoshihiro Fukuyama.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922616)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:32 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

He's not a professor anywhere. Doing contract gigs at departments that generate zero scholarship != professional academic either. The thread title doesn't say "professor," because I understand l fully understand how many joke "professors" there are, not actually doing any of the things a tenure track professor has to do.

I could go further and point out that there's actually a bias within academia against people who write for popular audiences. But it could be a chicken and egg thing. Sean Carroll claims he was on tenure track at University of Chicago until he wrote popular books.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922650)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:36 PM
Author: doobsian striped hyena

he was an endowed chair. those are all tenured positions, supported by the endowment. in fact, the current holder of that endowed chair is a university professor (full tenured professor) at GMU.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922661)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:39 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

What? lol if anything it's the opposite. Normal career trajectory is you come in as assistant prof, pinch off a book that no one reads, cop dat tenure.

The shit that's endowed by some old rich guy is whatever that rich guy wanted it to be. No one is telling a rich guy "we won't let you fund that position unless it's tenured."

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922672)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:43 PM
Author: doobsian striped hyena

you're retarded and wrong.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922682)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:44 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

(Michael McFaul)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922685)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:44 PM
Author: doobsian striped hyena

endowed chairs are a higher honor than tenure, or even a regular full professorship. nobody who can't get tenure is getting an endowed chair.

"academia’s highest honor on exceptional members of our faculty"

https://www.med.upenn.edu/endowedprofessorships/

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922686)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:45 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

I'm not saying Francis Fukuyama isn't prestigious. But why did you link to a position he never occupied, at a university he never worked for?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922689)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:55 PM
Author: Gay razzmatazz jap

As proof of the prestige of endowed professorships

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922723)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:40 PM
Author: territorial casino

I believe Fukuyama was a legit professor at SAIS and taught grad seminars. And SAIS does legit IR scholarship.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922674)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:41 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Who on earth is claiming they had Francis Fukuyama as their PhD advisor? If all he did was teach in a terminal masters program, that's shit a TA would do in an actual research department.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922679)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:48 PM
Author: territorial casino

I don’t think anyone’s claiming that. A school can have prestigious people it pulls in to teach limited classes or seminars, while being prestigious for having other faculty who publish more regular research and serve as PhD advisors, you mental midget.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922706)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:52 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Ok, the latter are what I call professional academics. The former can be a corrupt opium warlord like Ashraf Ghani.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922715)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:35 PM
Author: doobsian striped hyena

lol ding fag. nobody creates an endowed chair for a non-tenure-track position

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922657)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:41 PM
Author: faglord

Be specific. Who is no one? Who is the fag here?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922677)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:45 PM
Author: doobsian striped hyena

you are a schizophrenic jewish retard

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922688)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:48 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Non-tenure track faculty can be appointed to endowed chairs in special circumstances, such as when requested by the donor or permitted by the endowment agreement. These appointments are often used to recognize faculty excellence in a particular field or to attract visiting professors.

Endowed chair appointments are for fixed terms, usually no longer than five years, as set by the gift agreement. While renewal may be considered, there is no guarantee and the university can choose not to renew for any reason. Faculty holding an endowed appointment can also be removed at any time by the university president.

Endowed chairs can be used to provide salary support and resources for research and teaching. Up to 50% of the funding can be used for existing salary and benefits, and up to 25% can be used to increase salary and benefits above the normal range.



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922700)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 7:11 PM
Author: Brussels Sprout (Apropos of the Wet Snow)

can any serious academician cite Francis Fukayama and his distorted/inaccurate reading of Hegel (the last man and the end of history) and not be held in mockery and derision? it's a total fabrication and misreading of Hegel-- won't anyone please correct me?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922763)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 7:13 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Everything he writes seems written to flatter someone. "You're so amazing, you're the future .." He was saying we should all be on drugs at some point.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47922766)



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Date: August 2nd, 2024 11:38 PM
Author: Poppy Supple Hell

we need more threads debating the preftige of random academics that peaked 30+ years ago. this place was much more fun when this sort of thing was the norm

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47923277)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 12:40 AM
Author: Awkward Nowag

He's not an academic, he's a public intellectual..

True story: I knew this bitch who got a my master's while mixed up in a Christian cult. She ended up working for the National Endowment for Democracy, which at the time I didn't know what that was. I met up with her once on a lark and she said she was freaked out by some pro palestine people who were trying to push out her group. During this convo she casually mentioned knowing "Frank" said she talked to him all the time.

Also true fact: FF can't speak Japanese. The bitch I knew wasn't even Japanese but she could speak Japanese and he couldn't.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47923435)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 3:13 PM
Author: Pumonymous

"Lex Fridman" seems like the textbook example of this

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47924674)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 4:45 PM
Author: onyx harsh turdskin

Agreed.

On Fukuyama - who I have "met" - he is retarded and his "scholarship" is an embarrassment. With that said, he played the game and has a sinecure that gives him plenty of money for no requirements (classes, mentoring, etc.). It is a tradeoff that many professors would easily make, including the prestigious and legit Niall Ferguson.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925065)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:48 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

What first brought this to my attention was Sean Carroll's podcast. I don't know if he still does it, but years ago at least he had this podcast where he ranted about random topics. It sucked so much dick that I'm afraid to check whether he still does it.

The only reason I ever paid any attention to Sean Carroll in the first place was because he was a "professor at Caltech." Then in one of his podcast episodes he announced that his contract with Caltech was ending. Like "oh btw I never had tenure, heheh." Then he digressed into an hour-long rant about how and why [he thinks] he was denied tenure at University of Chicago. He shit all over Villanova in that episode too. He said going there for undergrad really held him back because there were no other smart people for him to talk to at that school. He is really a bitter piece of shit, and a yuge fraud. To this day I'm embarrassed that I ever fell for his "professor at Caltech" shtick. I've vowed that I'll never let anyone fool me like that again. Nowadays I always check.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925758)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:52 PM
Author: Lavender piazza associate

i mean he wrote the most used text book on general relativity. what do u want out of him?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925766)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 9:00 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

He was saying that fucks you if you don't already have tenure. One theory is that it makes it look like you're peacocking, holding yourself out as an authority before the tenure committee has reached a decision about that.

But separately, he makes the very good point that every hour he spent writing that book was an hour not spent doing research for University of Chicago. What could UofC realistically expect him to do for them going forward if he wasn't giving them 100% of his effort when he was an associate prof?

Finally, it's not research. It's written for lay audiences and it doesn't impress anyone in the field. SC is also not a physicist and can't do actual physics research, really.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925790)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 4:56 PM
Author: Adventurous Quadroon

only tenured professors are academics now?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925105)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:38 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Why can't you at least quote me accurately? I said "professional academics" not your straw man version.

I know you're being catty, and you know this, but I'll go ahead and say it anyway: a professional academic is someone who makes academia their PROFESSION, the same way that a HVAC tech makes it their PROFESSION to do HVAC stuff. These are people who have (or had) to publish or perish. They don't typically have some special endowment propping them up, but instead draw their salary from the university itself. If a university is paying you a salary to do academic work, you are a professional academic.

Academic work is not just teaching. Most academics are expected to convey knowledge somehow, but teaching is just one of many ways they can do that, and it's not what gets them tenure. What gets them tenure is RESEARCH.

Finally, RESEARCH is something Francis Fukuyama has never actually done. Instead he is presented as an "original thinker." Why would you ever ask him to research a fucking thing?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925730)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:51 PM
Author: Startled Cowardly Hospital Toaster

More like Francis Fuck-yo-momma amirite

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925763)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:51 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Can't speak Japanese.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925764)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:54 PM
Author: Startled Cowardly Hospital Toaster

Who can

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925776)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:55 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

cq

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925782)



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Date: August 3rd, 2024 8:52 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

Thomas Sowell

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47925768)



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Date: August 18th, 2024 3:41 PM
Author: Awkward Nowag

This author is also like that but he has damn good excuse. A big tell is that he's only ever been babysat by Yale. All these other frauds have to find a new daddy every 5 years unless they have a sinecure at Stanford.

Look at the kind of writing that gets u a jerb at Yale w/NOTENUREFOREVER



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568924&forum_id=2#47979479)