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2nd Year Associate: Burned Out, Works 9 to 6 Now
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 12:16 AM Author: sapphire resort Okay, actually I work from about 9:30 to 6:00. I totally burned out after first year and now I don't give a shit. My firm doesn't care either. No top partners notice or care that I'm gone. As long as I bill a decent amount of hours (140 a month) no one will say anything. I expect to be able to survive at my firm for up to two years just jacking off and collecting salary. Then I'll lateral to another BIGLAW firm and work hard for six months to prove myself and then jack off again for two years. Then I'll go in-house. BIGLAW is great. I get paid a ton of money to do nothing for less than eight hours a day (I take 1.5 hour lunch breaks) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647132) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 12:16 AM Author: Deep Blood Rage Menage you want a cookie? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647140) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 12:20 AM Author: Irradiated saffron property lol (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647171) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 1:49 AM Author: alcoholic dingle berry Aren't those included in the benefits package? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647762) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 1:42 AM Author: Bistre national organic girlfriend I pooped in my bed so I put it on the TV (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647724) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:01 AM Author: spruce police squad bbw This is basically what I aspire to when I graduate. Do you have any tips on how I can live the dream? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647823) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:04 AM Author: amber maniacal therapy it's flame idiot. nobody gets by with billing 140 hours a month. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647839) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:11 AM Author: spruce police squad bbw That works out to 1680 per year....you're telling me it's impossible to skate along at 15% under the target number of billables for a while? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647892) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:18 AM Author: amber maniacal therapy turn in mediocre work. be aloof. fuck HS girls. do coke. but do not be perceived as lazy. you'll get fired. bill, bill, bill. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647933) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:05 AM Author: sapphire resort At my firm there were at least 4 associates who only billed around 1700 hours last year. None got fired. No one gets fired unless they don't come to work at all. This is just my firm, of course. I'm sure at other places I'd get canned, but even then it would take a year. Firms don't fire ppl, tehy ask them to leave and they give them a second chance to improve their performance. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648104) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:13 AM Author: Adventurous office Joe_Vaj bills 100 a month. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647903) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:15 AM Author: Apoplectic Well-lubricated Garrison The only flame is coming from the people who tell you that most firms keep a stern eye on the month to month billing habits of 2nd year associates in the short term.
They don't.
Some do, but those are the exception, not the norm. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:29 AM Author: Bonkers Sandwich Native Any firm with PPP over $1M will certainly keep a stern eye on billing. Some will week-to-week. The trend these days is to break up large practice groups into administrative teams, headed by junior partners whose job it is to make sure everyone "has enough on their plate." Although the occasional lull is to be expected (and enjoyed), not being given work is how firms show people the door. OP should be worried if he's the only one billing 140 in his group. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647986) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:32 AM Author: spruce police squad bbw OP's goal is to get forced out though. Personally, I'd like to see if I can get forced out of three firms total before I go in-house. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647999) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:06 AM Author: sapphire resort And I'm not saying I'll bill 140 every month. Last month I billed like 180. I'm sure at least two months this year I'll bill 180 plus again. Even with my four weeks vacation I still may hit 1800. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648107) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:34 AM Author: Zippy roast beef I was told by my mentor last summer that she got a call from a partner the one month she billed less than 150 hours. I think if your peers are billing 190, and you put in about 145, it pops up on the firm's radar very fast. That's a bit under 15k the firm is out, certainly worth a conversation to see what is going on.
Why do you think you can speak to the practice of firms across the country re: this particular subject? Do you think you may just be overstating your knowledge a tiny bit? |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:08 AM Author: sapphire resort Firms are so different and it can be really different within practice groups. If you are in a shitty area with asshole partners they will make a big deal out of low hours. At my firm no one cares. They don't even bother people. As long as I do about 1800 hours I'm good. My job is safe. I won't get a salary increase or bonus, but wth cares. I'll just lateral to a better firm. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648111) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 11:46 AM Author: exhilarant erotic cruise ship not for an entire year unless work is slow, but you can do it for a couple of months without question. you can definitely bill under 1900 and not get fired. you are still more valuable billing 1800 hours then not being there at all. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648801) |
Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:26 AM Author: Beady-eyed Market Partner put a small TV & DVD combo in your office. i am doing that this weekend. im going to take it in sat and set it up so its not so freaking obvious (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647969) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:30 AM Author: spruce police squad bbw How conspicuous would a Playstation 3 and 42 inch plasma TV be? I can just shut the door right?
If you just want TV/DVD capability, it would be better to pop a TV tuner card into your computer. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:32 AM Author: Beady-eyed Market Partner you could probably get away with it if you were at stroock or kirkland (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7647998) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:34 AM Author: Submissive kitchen volcanic crater Just have the tv set to Bloomberg/CNBC/etc. and hit the channel return button if you see anyone coming and throw the controller in your desk. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648004) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 2:40 AM Author: Beady-eyed Market Partner i dont want to out myself or anything, but due to the office setup where i work, i have total privacy bc no one where i'm at keeps their doors open very much due to layout of the office (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648027) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:09 AM Author: sapphire resort Yweah at my place everyone closes their doors. We have no windows leading out to the hallway so no one can see what we do. I'm sure lots of ppl sleep in their office, masturbate, talk to spouses all day, read websites and blogs, look at playboy, etc. I'm sure they bill the client for this too. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648115) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:11 AM Author: Beady-eyed Market Partner love your moniker by the way. awesome. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648119) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:12 AM Author: sapphire resort are you the original sugar witchy? you know the indian girl who was getting hammered by some white dude at UC law? wht u up to nowadays? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648121) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:13 AM Author: Beady-eyed Market Partner no i am a parody of sugary
im a biglaw geek who hates his IRL job and lack of social life.
i started a cool site tho: http://t14talent.googlepages.com which i have law student interns managing for me now...
i hate sugary and she's on the site as a joke. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:13 AM Author: Submissive kitchen volcanic crater I'd definitely set a video game system then. Do you have a mini fridge too? |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 3:17 AM Author: Beady-eyed Market Partner no but i explained before that when i was at STB i regularly bought huge dinners and stocked the fridge in our miniroom (every floor at STB NYC has a miniroom with a fridge and mailling supplies) witih enough snacks and drinks that i basically bought no food of my own all week long.
i got called on this only once and it was right before i left anyway. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 12:13 PM Author: Rough-skinned Razzmatazz Plaza who called u on it? some bitch secretary? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648948) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 12:15 PM Author: exhilarant erotic cruise ship what did you bill at STB? where are you now? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648955) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 11:50 AM Author: talented emerald spot If you worked through the day, 9-6 would be enough to bill a respectable amount. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648835) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 12:08 PM Author: exhilarant erotic cruise ship this is the same for me. First year I billed 2050 hours and was generally stressed out and always very serious. This year I am on track for more like 1800 hours and have no stress because I know that if I get pushed out the door there are 20 other big firms in the city waiting to hire me. I have no chance of partner anyway, so why kill yourself when none of your future employers will know about it (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648936) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 7:16 PM Author: Buff karate indirect expression Subject: Wouldn't they? If you slack off and get forced out, wouldn't future employers hear about it during the interview process? Does checking references not exist in BIGLAW lateraling? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7651691) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 7:24 PM Author: exhilarant erotic cruise ship no, it doesn't exist. you interview on the assumption that your current firm doesn't hear about it.
btw, you aren't "forced out", you are just given an idea that you won't be making partner and don't have a long term future at the firm. You can make up any story you want in your interviews. |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 7:32 PM Author: Stimulating citrine ratface trump supporter I'm curious about this as well. Is there no contact between firms? How do recommendations and such work? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7651784) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 7:35 PM Author: exhilarant erotic cruise ship there aren't recommendations if you are leaving one firm for another. if you are from a top firm they assume you are competent.
there isn't contact, because this is usually a secretive process |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 7:41 PM Author: Stimulating citrine ratface trump supporter This sounds like a SWeet system just begging for exploitation. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7651826) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 7:43 PM Author: exhilarant erotic cruise ship it is exploited, but after a couple associate gigs people start questioning things. Definitely can pull it off for 5-7 years while never working that hard. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7651838) |
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Date: February 22nd, 2007 12:11 PM Author: Rough-skinned Razzmatazz Plaza does ur firm still give u a bonus for billing 1700? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=584183&forum_id=2#7648944) |