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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:43 PM Author: Effete national halford It was just better, champ. Melodic hooks, better lyrics, better riffs. All of you Texas is the Reason and Rites of Spring fans be damned. MCR had HITS goddamnit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022559) |
Date: July 24th, 2026 8:45 PM Author: aromatic irate ticket booth I've never encountered someone on the side of REAL emo irl. the people love hooks. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022568) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:48 PM Author: Effete national halford Thoughts on 4th Gen/Midwest Emo?
I had never heard of this shit before today. Maybe a little bit but barely. https://youtu.be/zfJVFMFnKSc (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022581) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:54 PM Author: aromatic irate ticket booth never got into any of the ones she names as 4th wave, always found Modern Baseball boring. when I think of Midwest Emo I think of Saddle Creek, like Bright Eyes and Cursive and Desaparecidos, all of whom I love (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022605) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:58 PM Author: Effete national halford ti,oc,tcr (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022617) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:03 PM Author: Swashbuckling casino The band Arm's Length is really good Youth Fountain Driveways Ben Quad (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022637) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:05 PM Author: aromatic irate ticket booth thank you! will check out (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022643) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:55 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life 180 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022607) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:56 PM Author: lilac resort (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022610) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:56 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022611) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 8:59 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage i was at texas is the reason's first show, in 1995. the lineup was nutty - it was in chatham, nj and the lineup was: texas is the reason, shift, doughnuts, snapcase, mouthpiece and ignite (first east coast show and first time i'd ever heard them).
this was about a week after i broke my nose in half so i had to stand at the back and observe. if you look at mouthpiece's last 7" cover, a couple of my friends are on the cover singing along onstage. there was a version of that picture whre you could see me standing off in the back.
there was a popular band called Floorpunch, and this show was the show where the members decided to start a band.
we almost drove off the road on the way home that night. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022619) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:01 PM Author: aromatic irate ticket booth 180000000 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022626) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:01 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022630) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:02 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life little ball of Mall Emo rage tp (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022633) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:04 PM Author: Effete national halford do emo fans really rage or do they just cry about shit and cut themselves? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022639) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:05 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life Good question, but based on the context of this thread I'd say they definitely poast online (assuming Zurich tp is a representative sample of his demographic) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022647) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:06 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage hebraic emotional hardcore (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022652) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:06 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life Tp! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022654) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:10 PM Author: Effete national halford *Ben Shaprio shuffles out with a stratocaster with a humbucker bridge pickup and launches into Dammit* (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022663) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:11 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022665) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:25 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022711) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:03 PM Author: Effete national halford A lot of cool things came out of the 90s DC hardcore scene. A lot of great musical ideas, a lot of experimentation, a lot of cultural innovations.
Then talented musicians combined it with Pop Punk and sold millions of records. It's okay to admit some ppl are more talented than others and "it's a vibe" isn't enough to reach the pinnacle. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022636) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:06 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage not so much the 90s, but the 80s DC hardcore scene was goated. i'd argue that we had the best first gen hc scene, but we're neck and neck with LA. you could argue LA wins too.
DC and LA from 1979 - 1984 shaped hardcore as we know it today.
coming up in the 90s DC HC scene was really cool though. we got so many great shows coming through. i saw all the bands many times - shelter, 108, mouthpiece, outspoken, into another, snapcase, strife, lifetime, undertow, unbroken, mean season, integrity, etc etc etc.
and the shows were dangerous - i've seen guns pulled and have been maced multiple times. it was very different back then. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022650) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:14 PM Author: Effete national halford it sounds like fun for young white people who wanted to be part of a scene and a community and belong to something. very much like AutoAdmit. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022670) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:16 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage the shows were mostly in nigger ridden hellholes. dc was awful back then.
at one show, at the safari club, in 1996 or so, this fat girl from my hs was walking across the street to the venue and an obese black bitch in a saturn hit her. the fat girl flew up in the air LOL. the lady stopped for a second but thought better of staying and i heard her say "naw, fuck all yall white muthafuckas" and she peeled out.
anotehr time, also at the safari, my friend was waiting in line to get in and this homeless nig straight knocked him out. clocked him when he wasn't looking. lol. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022675) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:17 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life There's no Slice of Life poasting like Autoadmit Slice of Life poasting, tyvmft (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022678) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:18 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage have you ever heard of hatebreed? i maced them and started a riot in 1997. it's still part of hc lore in dc/baltimore. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022685) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:19 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life hc lore AND newfound ZoZo lore :-) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022690) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:21 PM Author: Effete national halford One time I got free tickets to a Young Jeezy concert in Baltimore but we got kicked out while waiting in line to get in by rowdy blacks who were jeering us. Security was like this is a bad idea you should probably go. I narrowly survived the night. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022694) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:22 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life >I narrowly survived the night.
180 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022696) |
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Date: July 25th, 2026 12:33 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage Baltimore is awful and has no redeeming qualities (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50023428) |
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Date: July 25th, 2026 12:37 PM Author: Effete national halford (Guy who has never been to the POWER PLANT) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50023438) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:06 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life "it's a vibe" - The Autoadmit Story (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022651) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:08 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life Question for Zurich tp:
What does it say about me and/or my innate golden retriever-ishness for better or worse that while I like all of the Pavement albums, I LOVE Terror Twilight (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022657) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:09 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage i agree with you. i think it says that you appreciate advanced songwriting and aren't worried about indie dogma. it's almost verboten to say TT is a top pavement album. but it unquestionably is. it's wonderful. i celebrate their entire catalogue but the songwriting and production is so good on TT. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022660) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:12 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life I really enjoyed reading this unironically thoughtful poast and then looked up at your username and couldn't help LOLing at the extreme contrast between the two, Thank! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022667) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:16 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage 190! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022677) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:17 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life ;-) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022679) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:14 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life You know what's also funny while we're on the subject, is that back in high school I had no idea what a music producer was or how important they were/are, so I could listen to OK Computer and Terror Twilight back to back and have no idea what they had in common (other than being 180, somehow) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022671) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:18 PM Author: Effete national halford how did u not hear the same interstitial bleeps and bloops that are identical on both records. I didn't know what a Roland Space Echo was either but come on. That weird portamento at the beginning of The National Anthem is at the end of some TT track I can look it up for u. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022683) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:20 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life >how did u not hear the same interstitial bleeps and bloops that are identical on both records
You thought I've been joking when calling myself gay and/or retarded this whole time?? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022693) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:22 PM Author: Effete national halford I'm actually digging through my crate for u (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022697) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:23 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life "Male Camaraderie is no mere hobby..." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022705) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:24 PM Author: Effete national halford Cf. You Are a Light with Radiohead's The National Anthem
1 second in. Identical. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022706) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:25 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life This changes everything tp (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022710) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:26 PM Author: Effete national halford At the end of Major Leagues you can hear a space echo delay whirring and a random drum machine. Very Radioheadian.
Perform Blues has the synth trick again + space echo (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022716) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:27 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life Subjective and objective ratings of N Godrich as a producer IYO? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022719) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:29 PM Author: Effete national halford one of the best to ever do it (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022725) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:30 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life 180^180 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022728) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:31 PM Author: Effete national halford Nigel has one of those Neumann U47's that were the kind used on Frank Sinatra's voice back in the Rat Pack era. All of Thom's studio vox from the early days used that microphone. They're like 25k on Reverb depending on condition.
To be clear it's the original U47 with the tube transformer, not the modern FET version. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022733) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:33 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life Reminds me of this 180 anecdote I vaguely remember:
The French indie rock band Phoenix used the exact Harrison 4032 recording console that mixed Michael Jackson's legendary 1982 album Thriller to mix their fifth studio album, 2013's Bankrupt!
The Connection
Guitarist Laurent Brancowitz found the historic mixing console listed on eBay.
The band bought it for $17,000 from a studio owner in California and shipped it to Paris.
They briefly considered naming their album Alternative Thriller as a nod to the gear.
They did not try to recreate the Thriller sound, but wanted to work with a unique piece of music history. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022738) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:35 PM Author: Effete national halford if they spent half as much time on songwriting as they did on gear then maybe that would have been a good album. really makes you think. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022746) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:35 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life Okay, I lol'd (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022747) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:14 PM Author: Effete national halford wtf did you not read me n zurich's egregious subthread wasteland about Terror Twilight the other day?
tl;dr it's obviously the best one despite Stephen Malkmus being a narcissist and hating on it because Nigel Godrich made it Too Good (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022672) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:15 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life egregious subthread wasteland tp
Link?! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022673) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:18 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage i still have to put it behind slanted, but you can make a case for TT being the best.
it's the one i listen to most now.
i've gotten autistically obsessed with a few artists in my life where i listened to nothing but that band/artist for about 2-3 years.
they are as follows, in order: the smiths/morrissey, the beatles, pavement, the rolling stones, iron maiden (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022682) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:19 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life 1800000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022686) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:19 PM Author: Effete national halford if it weren't for Major Leagues and Spit on a Stranger I probably wouldn't listen to Pavement at all put it to ya that way. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022687) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:21 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life (Pavement Streaming Fades...) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022695) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:22 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage nevermind him, he's a wind-up merchant (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022700) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:24 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life Men | Aren't | Like | That! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022708) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:22 PM Author: Effete national halford I don't stream lol. I listen to CDs not flame. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022701) |
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Date: July 24th, 2026 9:24 PM Author: wonderful purple lodge goal in life 180 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50022709) |
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Date: July 25th, 2026 12:31 PM Author: Excitant Obsidian Hairy Legs I was not aware it was in need of defense (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50023426) |
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Date: July 25th, 2026 12:34 PM Author: magenta beady-eyed private investor stage (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50023430) |
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Date: July 25th, 2026 12:38 PM Author: Effete national halford Jews are trying to forceneme 4th Gen and Midwest Emo. They want you to listen to Modern Baseball, The Hotelier, and Title Fight. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5885963&forum_id=2#50023443) |