Date: August 9th, 2026 12:18 PM Author: Clear school main people
You have to have 4 million net worth to live as a subsistence farmer 20 years ago. Even if you have a fully paid off trailer how are you going to afford food and gas and shit?
Date: August 9th, 2026 12:22 PM Author: lascivious foreskin locale
If I were single and didn’t live in SoCal I’d feel rich (inexpensive hobbies like poasting and outdoor type stuff helps tbh) with my very conservatively invested $_._ish million - but Im gay and also like living near family so… “I really like it here!” 🐶
Date: August 9th, 2026 12:24 PM Author: metal galvanic becky pozpig
a $4 million portfolio will generate $120k pre-tax inflation adjusted, and tax will be very low. it's very doable. remember that you don't have to save for retirement and don't need to commute to a central business district
Date: August 9th, 2026 12:52 PM Author: Clear school main people
Right but what percentage of people are even capable of amassing 4 million dollars. I'm not saying you can't live on 4 million. I'm saying how the fuck can a regular person get to that number even by 50. I assume only 5% of people will ever have 4 million dollars.
People on leanFIRE are talking about being hundred thousandaires. They're talking about retiring to a trailer in the middle of nowhere and finding ways to live on less than 2k per month for the rest of their lives.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:00 PM Author: Clear school main people
I can see a DINK couple with really taxing white collar jobs doing this by 50 on top 10% incomes. Still seems like a lot to achieve for a normal person.
Date: August 9th, 2026 12:59 PM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
An ordinary poaster who matriculated at any law school in the borts heyday should have this amount saved unless they experienced a catastrophic event. If you graudated from 2010-2015 and copped an average law jorb and just put a reasonable % of money away that's $4m now.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:02 PM Author: Clear school main people
I have no concept of maths but does zurich even have 4mm by 50? Need Zurich tp to weigh in. I'm guessing he's on the cusp but not sure he's there yet. And he went to lolschool in like the 80s or something.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:13 PM Author: Clear school main people
He says he's pretty rich I just dk how easily it is to make it to 4 mm by 50. Gunner says anyone who went to a decent law school can achieve this. I'm not disputing if I just don't really know how easy and simple it is or not.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:18 PM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
You can just put the hypo into an LLM and see the results. Average law job, average career progression, average % of income saved invested in an average asset allocation = $4m easy with the way the market has been over the last 15 years.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:35 PM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
Most poasters from the heyday are, presumably. But the average poaster from then has also retired and we're left with a different population. But I bet ordinary lawmos that still poast like Dupa, Zurich, EPAH, ggtp, NPB, me, etc. have NWs ~$4m
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:44 PM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
Never said it was easy. Just said it's an average outcome for someone poasting here in the heyday, i.e. strivers who entered the job market at the beginning of an unprecedented bull run.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:16 PM Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)
It goes without saying that if you blow all your money you don't have much saved.
All I'm saying is if you take the average poaster from the heyday, assume they got an average job for someone here, and invested a decent % of their salary into conservative investments like SP500, thats about $4m today. 15 years of near-straight growth = insane compound gains. And that's not even factoring home appreciation and lottery tickets like Crypto and TSLA.
nw is right around $3m. if you count home equity, i guess $3.5
i had a weird salary progression as a lolyer. see below:
2007: $60k (worked for a solo - that old gay guy who always hit on me)
2008: $62k (lol)
2009: $78k
2010: $98k
2011: $120k (in september, the gay had to lay me off. i quickly got a job at a midlaw firm called miles & stockbridge in baltimore)
2012: $140k (in september, i followed the partner who hired me at miles to JACKSONLEWIS)
2013: $152k
2014: $165k
2015: $190k (i lateraled to biglaw in september this year, so i was making $180k at JL until sept, then $230k at BAKERHOSTETLER thereafter. fyi, BH does not have an actual biglaw scale, they just pay first years market. raises generally suck after that. we had kid #1 in january of this year)
2016: $240k
2017: $260k
2018: $313.5k (kid #2 here. i was promoted to partner at BH effective jan 1. they have a "one tier" partnership, which is a scam. basically, 90% of my comp was a salary and 10% was equity. i stayed at this level until i left in 2022)
2019: $320k
2020: $340k (this is the year my spiral started and i moved out)
2021: $350k
2022: $325k (moved back home with gary and our offspring in july. i went back to JACKSONLEWIS in april this year. HUGE mistake, but it sort of wasn't because it led me to my current firm, MSK, and as you can see, i am finally making $$$)
2023: $400k (i got recruited by BAKER DONELSON and they brought me on as a full equity partner (bottom tier of equity); i basically ran the firm's labor practice.)
2024: $500k
2025: $550k (started at MSK in march, after my equity payout from BD. i stole every client i ever worked with from BD, and my originations for 2025 were $1.2m ($1.6 annualized), and right now i am on track for about $2 million)
2026: $652k
you can see that a lot of my career, i didn't make very much. plus the midlife crisis i did from 2020-2022 cost A LOT of money.
had i done the traditional graduation--->biglaw----->in house thing and didn't blow my life up and have to pay for two households for two years, i'd probably be well over $5m now.
thing is, it doesn't really matter. i could never add another dollar to my investments and i'll likely have like $15m in 15 years.
i'll be equity next year. assuming my numbers are what i expect they'll be, i should make $800-900k. i think they'll credit me with like $1.6-1.8m in originations. the way our equity formula works is that your comp is usually going to be such that you make around 40% of your "working attorney" number and 20% of originations. assuming $1.5m working and $1.7m originations, that puts me at $940k. oh, and there's a guy at the firm who does international arbitrations (he sues countries for terrorist acts) and he's been bringing in like $15-20m a year the last couple years, which is a windfall to all the equity partners.
if, for some reason, they only credit me with $1.3m, i'll be around $860k. i think they'll put their thumb on the scale for me because the reason they recruited me is they want to expand beyond the entertainment biz. they have a huge entertainment labor practice, but that's a hugely different skillset from regular labor. i have tons of experience that nobody else here has, and i brought a partner from paul hastings over (he used to work for me at BH) and he's killing it so far, so the firm is basically sucking my dick now.
sorry, that was probably way more than anyone cared to hear about my compensation.
Date: August 9th, 2026 12:31 PM Author: vigorous area
birdshit losers are literally flocking to commie danang to live off $500 a month... meanwhile alpha chad birdshits on XO with IRL names like rajiv, dikshit, and harpinder are worrying $4m isnt enough to retire
Date: August 9th, 2026 12:54 PM Author: Clear school main people
Once you move to Da Nang your life is over. You're never gonna see anyone ever again. Your life is your poverty existence in Da Nang forevermore. It's not for most people.
Tbh I’ve never really felt as if I needed “health insurance”. I have it though, and I hardly ever “use” it.
A medical bill is payment rendered for services like any other. If you can’t afford it, then you either default on it or don’t follow through with whatever procedure. If your ailment is terminal then you are fucked anyway and Going to Die. Are you really gonna be going to a doctor for every little ache and pain as a 50something? You are just getting Old, that’s what happens, “insurance” or not.
Date: August 9th, 2026 12:50 PM Author: Clear school main people
I think once ur like 60 you need insurance and shit. At some point you cost the system more than you pay in. Which is why it's really dumb to make young people buy health insurance. They are paying for old people. It's a scam.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:03 PM Author: light school cafeteria
the risk is something like a car wreck or serious accident that puts you in the hospital for a few weeks, wipes out your savings, and leaves you disabled. or some random level 1-2 cancer that's going to take half your funds to treat.
the ironic thing is that it's stupid for poor people to have health insurance because they have nothing to lose, just declare bankruptcy. but a FIREmo going without insurance is risking everything.
this is why FIREmos almost always leave this dump.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:06 PM Author: diverse office therapy
yes but are not most serious accident/car wreck people retarded morons anyway? I have never met a scholar who's had a serious medical incident by accident and not on purpose
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:08 PM Author: light school cafeteria
it just happens man, you're going to the grocery store and some dumb bitch in a giant SUV goes to reach for her cell phone and crushes you head on. you wake up in the hospital a week later hooked up to a bunch of a machines and some foreign doctor tells you you're going to need a couple years of physical therapy to walk again. your savings are completely exposed and the woman who hits you is an illegal without insurance.
Leave this dump for where though? You can’t just emigrate to some European nation and take advantage of its nationalized services afaik. Only we are stupid enough to allow that haha.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:10 PM Author: light school cafeteria
you can bounce around easily, and paying out of pocket for a hospitalization is shockingly cheaper literally everywhere but here. if you get in a mopad crash in thailand it's going to cost a pretty penny but it's not going to wipe out your savings and force you back into working like it does here. same thing if you get cancer, you go to south korea and pay a fraction of what it would cost here.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:45 PM Author: Electric codepig base
A lot of Women have weird ailments that cost like $300,000k a year to treat. Men can have the same ailment and not notice that they have it or it just kills them all at once and there's no medical bill. the obsession with health insurance is inherently Liberal/Feminine.
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:39 PM Author: shivering knife selfie
if you don't have kids you can just live like TT
I assume all the people doing leanFIRE in the US with 1M at 40 or whatever all just have paid off/inherited houses they are conveniently leaving out of the picture
Date: August 9th, 2026 1:48 PM Author: appetizing senate
If you have $4m in investible assets, you only need a 25% return to get to $5m. That can be done inside a year in good years or 3-5 years if the market turns. Seems silly to throw in the towel when you can pretty easily achieve that added security. And that’s also more years for your social security, your pension, etc.
then reassess at $5m when the next milly is only a 20% increase.
Date: August 9th, 2026 2:16 PM Author: appetizing senate
Just crossed $2.5. Inheritances will add another 1.5 in the next 20 years or so. Doubling on the 2.5, I’m hoping for 3 more doubles before withdrawing, so somewhere between $20-30m is where I’m shooting for. If we continue to invest well and preserve our corpus someday pass on $5-7m to each of our kids.
Date: August 9th, 2026 3:02 PM Author: vigorous area
if life isnt goin to change at 5m vs 4m and if this nigga just quit at 4m and moved to pattaya and lived on 20k a year his 4m can still mostly be in stocks and as u said just 25% gets him to 5m
Date: August 9th, 2026 2:00 PM Author: Electric codepig base
Start asking the right fucking questions.
How many more annual reviews do you have in you, champ?
How many times are you going to explain your own job to somebody paid more than you?
How much more of your finite life are you willing to collateralize against a paycheck that can disappear because one bossprick thinks you're a Bad Fit?
I have roughly $280,000k. Put that around 4.5% and you are talking $12,600k/year, $1,050k/month. My trailer burn has lived around that neighborhood. Obviously keep cash and short bills around because HVAC and automobiles have fat-tailed error terms, but the underlying model is almost embarrassingly simple: get Shelter paid off, crush the fixed-cost vector, let the coupon cover a large part of ordinary existence. Duration risk exists. If I own a 10-year at 4.5% and rates rip to 6%, the mark gets murdered. Fine. I wasn't planning to sell it to buy groceries Tuesday. Match near-term liabilities with cash/T-bills, ladder the rest, let longer paper mature. Bills have very little duration and enormous reinvestment risk imho. Long bonds reverse the problem. TIPS hedge a government CPI basket which may have only passing acquaintance with trailer lot rent, Aldi, gasoline and Japanese car parts. A paid-off Trailer is the ultimate form of unemployment insurance. Suppose your mortgage/rent is $1,700k. Eliminating it removes $20,400k of annual required cash flow. At a 4% draw that is the same arithmetic burden as finding another $510,000k portfolio. Half a million dollars, created by needing less. Nobody wants to discuss this because reducing consumption has terrible Clique Connotations. Every $100/month permanently removed from Burn knocks roughly $30,000k off the portfolio required at 4%. Find $500 and you just found $150,000k. Find $1,000k and you found $300,000k. Rent a spare room for a net $500/month and the room behaves like another $150k of financial assets, except unfortunately it contains a Human.
I would shop every recurring bill like an autistic purchasing department. Insurance, phone, internet, utilities, taxes, groceries. Never buy anything new again unless the secondary market is somehow more expensive. Let another guy absorb depreciation. Used Japanese car. Used furniture. Clearance clothes. Refurbished electronics. Divorce and suburban boredom constantly dump perfectly usable capital goods into the market at absurd discounts. Games are a perfect example. Never buy the Console during Launch Prestige or during a RAM Crisis. Buy when the platform holder starts panicking about installed base. Series S was around $250 during the push. That's when you strike. Then buy Games eighteen months late after the patches, DLC and humiliation have already occurred. $70 becomes $14.99. Better yet, Indies. The State of AAA is Grim anyway. A backlog is a capital asset if you stop pretending release date conveys utility.
Once fixed costs are sufficiently Low, your reservation wage goes completely insane because the employer is no longer bidding against Foreclosure. He is bidding against staying home, playing a $9 Indie and receiving coupon income. That is when the labor market loses jurisdiction imho.
Reclaim what's yours. Trailer. Treasuries. Used Everything. Shop around like your life depends on it because in aggregate it does. Microsoft eventually gets desperate.
Date: August 9th, 2026 2:40 PM Author: light school cafeteria
can't tell if this is FIRE or FLAME. trailer and treasuries, ljl. i mean you can do it but fuck man 13k a year that's like rez level poverty. and in ten years it'll buy you half that.
Date: August 9th, 2026 3:34 PM Author: Electric codepig base
You are staring at CPI while Im controlling my exposure to the basket. Trailer. Treasuries. Fuckin' used Everything. Read between the lines, champ. Half in 10 years requires roughly 7% inflation compounded for a decade. You are pricing the future like a guy who learned macro from the fuckin' Doritos aisle in 2022. The bond market is telling you something fwiw. Nominal long yields remain nowhere near the 8-9% world of the early 90s because nobody serious is pricing permanently high inflation. Buy intelligently anyway. Ladder maturities, keep near liabilities in bills, shop secondary issues on YTM, take duration only where compensated, exploit occasional off-the-run cheapness. There is price dispersion even in Treasuries imho which means opportunities to Arbitrage. Then attack the other side of the regression. $13,000k only has to inflate if you insist on purchasing the same shit forever. Stop fuckin' Consooming. My "rez poverty" has better asset-liability matching than your house payment, champ, and btw the secular picture is hardly obviously inflationary; AI compresses labor and information costs. Aging cohorts consume differently. Gen X is getting Poorer and Poorer which is disinflationary at the margin imho. JMO. YMMV. Not financial advice. Not legal advice.
btw I am practically planning Treasury rotations around the State of Gaming. Bills cover near-term consumption, notes carry the Trailer, maturities arrive into future hardware/software markdown windows. Why extend duration on a $79.99 Nintendo game when the asset has negative carry, technological obsolescence and an almost guaranteed secondary-market repricing event? Hold the Treasury. Receive coupon. Buy the Game later for $29.99. This is elementary intertemporal substitution and somehow Gamers remain incapable of it. AAA writ large has the opposite problem. Huge Teams. Huge payrolls. Huge production cycles. Huge risk concentration. Then after seven years and $200,000,000k you get a map covered in icons, yellow paint, crafting components and dialogue about Trauma. The State of AAA is Grim. Todd Howard is Short btw, perhaps the only non-Huge input remaining at Bethesda. Indies offer a Reprieve imo. Anyway, the LeanFIRE implication is obvious. Never buy Games on release. Never buy hardware during Prestige. Buy during product pushes, channel stuffing, inventory corrections, bundle season, desperation. Keep physical where useful because resale value is embedded optionality. Let Winners finance launch quarter. Losers will Lose, but they can still Ascend. Nintendo will yield. Microsoft already did. Todd remains Short. Accept it.
Date: August 9th, 2026 3:59 PM Author: light school cafeteria
lol brother i'm literally living in a trailer in the middle of nowhere with 800k in t-bills and a 150k wfh job. no fucking way i'd do this on 13k/year. i *have* to buy games on release.
Date: August 9th, 2026 4:07 PM Author: Electric codepig base
You're funeral imho. AAA Titles are ridden with Bugs upon release and need years to be in serviceable condition. Cyberpunk 2077 being a famous example iirc.
Date: August 9th, 2026 5:50 PM Author: Aphrodisiac step-uncle's house giraffe
Im pretty sure that in my 40s id be perfectly content to live on like 25k per year, roughing it on a small farm in bumfuck. The problem is kids in that situation would grow up retarded. I have kuds so chained down to civilization and keeping up with the jones for now at least. Or maybe i just lack imagination.
Date: August 9th, 2026 10:34 PM Author: Olive razzle hospital
in a village in Cambodia? fuck that, you could live on slightly under $4M. i mean maybe you'd need to teach english or pick up farming on the side, but it's doable
Date: August 10th, 2026 6:20 PM Author: vigorous area
They have grocery stores in Phnon Penh that are by membership only and it's min $5m just to shop, they have high end Doritos and stuff like bagels made by actual Jews