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How come China, with so much continuity, never invented anything?
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:35 PM Author: walnut yapping institution They have enormous levels of unbroken civilizational continuity, giving them an insane headstart on everyone else. And yet, nothing of any philosophical, mathematical or scientific importance has ever come out of there. Where is the Chinese Aristotle? Where is the Chinese Newton? Where is the Chinese Gauss? You take a class in higher math or physics and literally EVERY equation is named after someone with a French, German, or British last name. Even now when someone in modern china makes a tiny sub-discipline level advance it always collides with and is built atop mountains of European prior art. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055691) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:37 PM Author: rusted mischievous gaping i think those guy like gauss newton autistic so china dont have autistics (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055696) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:39 PM Author: walnut yapping institution China definitely has autistics. Plus I only named like 3 examples when there are endless examples of foundational maths, physics and sciences invented by Europeans. No way all of them were autistic. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055699) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:41 PM Author: Cerebral stain quadroon https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-gif-26109984 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50056157) |
Date: August 9th, 2026 4:36 PM Author: Cordovan nubile theatre hominid they invented azn pussy (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055692) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:37 PM Author: walnut yapping institution God invented that (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055695) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:42 PM Author: Aphrodisiac lilac skinny woman resort They weren't trying to live on shitty farmland (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055704) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:45 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison Ummm...Confucius?? Sun Tzu? Lao Tzu? Mencius?
There's tons of them and they are foundational to Eastern culture and science, just as those ancient birdshits you named are foundational to Western culture and science. |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:45 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Honestly can't tell if this is supposed to be sarcastic or not (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055712) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:47 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_(Chinese_philosophy)
2,000-year-old scholarship |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:51 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Every culture has cultural and social/religious texts. Even indigenous cultures have oral traditions that are likely equivalent to these chinese "thinkers" you mentioned. That doesn't answer why they haven't invented anything foundational. Why no Chinese Gauss? Why no Chinese Hilbert? Why no Chinese Leibniz? Why was the overwhelming majority of science, math, engineering and medicine invented by Europe? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055720) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:57 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison Gunpowder and printing. China also distilled spirits thousands of years ago. Abacus, paper money, crossbow.
Zu Genghi developed the volume of a sphere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zu_Gengzhi
Jia Xian described Pascal's triangle 1,000 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jia_Xian
China had tons of intellectual shit going on it just was operating independetly of the west
Also I'd say that Confucinism and Daoism are foundational to a lot of Asian culture in China and beyond
Also China has lots of old novels, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms that predate or are contempraneous with European literary works
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Date: August 9th, 2026 4:58 PM Author: walnut yapping institution All of that stuff combined is still not equivalent to Gauss who was a single man (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055733) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:02 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Jiushao
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/ma105/findingone.html (solving simultaneous linear congruences 500 years before Gauss - what took birdshits so long?)
What exactly is your point here? China has tons of ancient historical figures that were geniuses in math or science, but only in recent times has there been real exchange between east and west, so of course any scientific developments or breakthroughs in Europe will not build off of what was discovered in China, or vice versa. |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:08 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Just wondering why they never invented anything. Even Russia has made serious advances to math and physics for instance. Lyapunov was from Russia. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055754) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:09 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison They invented tons of shit, dumbass. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055757) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:11 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Can you name who you believe to be the Chinese Gauss? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055758) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:20 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison I'm not even sure anything I use today was invented by Gauss (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055771) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:22 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Gauss’s fingerprints are all over large parts of modern mathematics, statistics, and electromagnetism. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055776) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:24 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison But no single invention? Well I guess China has tons of Gausses who never invented shit (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055779) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:33 PM Author: walnut yapping institution State your iq before I engage you further. His reach is absurdly broad and arguably historically unmatched. He basically invented analytic number theory when he was 19. In maths and statistics and even physics a better question is almost what didn’t he invent (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055796) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:34 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison He didn't invent a single thing that we use today. Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, for example. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055799) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:43 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Not sure if you are flame or borderline retarded. You can't do large parts of modern engineering and virtually all of modern AI without that stuff (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055817) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:47 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison I think if there’s one thing readers of this subthread would agree on is that the retard is you (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055829) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:54 PM Author: walnut yapping institution If you are trolling then they could make that argument. If you were serious your IQ is in the mid 60s at best. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055846) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:58 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison I gave you a million examples upthread and you kept moving the goalposts “well where’s the Chinese version of this one specific person” I dunno nigga where’s the European version of Confucius? China has a shit ton of scientific and cultural progress over thousands of years but there was almost no interaction with the west so of course formulas taught in European education are named after Europeans, even if they were discovered centuries after the Chinese. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055852) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:03 PM Author: walnut yapping institution What did the Chinese call the normal distribution, the least squares method, and Gauss's foundational work in probability/statistics hundreds of years before Gauss? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055861) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:07 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison Too bad Gauss didn't invent a penis cast so he could make a mold of his cock for you to deepthroat.
Also just searched it and earliest record of cast and mold came from Mesopotamia. Why didn't Europeans invent anything 5,000 years ago other than some crude cave drawings of horses? |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:15 PM Author: walnut yapping institution That would be 180 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055909) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:08 PM Author: Stimulating Space why isn't this thread from 2012 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055755) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:12 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Is there a clique-theory reason for this? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055760) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:21 PM Author: Free-loading Sneaky Criminal IMO clique theory is key to explaining this (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055775) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:27 PM Author: Stimulating Space imo it's because no one was inventing anything in 2012. 2012 was when nyuug's brain broke. no one knows if he make a word document list of threads or if hes using Engineering to find threads from exactly 2012. I think it can't possibly be the latter. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055784) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:22 PM Author: sapphire stirring party of the first part that nyuug bumped in 2026 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055777) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:28 PM Author: motley blathering corner incel The west basically did nothing of lasting importance until the Renaissance either. 1000k years of the Roman empire and its successor states produced basically no knowledge that carried forth. At least China progressed in technology somewhat with the compass, gunpowder, big civil construction projects, the first modern-ish bureaucratic system which lasted for a very long time, etc.
People meme on education now because of our system at this particular point in time but there's a reason we emphasized it so much historically in America and the West as a whole. The invention of modern analytical thought and education system was what allowed the West to tear ahead after a millennium of stagnation
Also in before nyuug bumps this until 2050 |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:34 PM Author: Chocolate irate tanning salon Gunpowder is literally the Chinese version of peanut butter. We have to hear all about it for a very specific reason. There is nothing else. For all of TTs talk of China. Lol, it's a Costco center that produces chips for American projects |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:37 PM Author: motley blathering corner incel I don't think there is much question that your median Song dynasty citizen or whatever was exposed to a much higher degree of civilization than basically anyone in Christian Europe outside of the walls of Constantinople. The West was a feuding backwater until the Renaissance and Enlightenment. The Roman Empire itself did not produce much of lasting value to western civilization despite the scale of classical Rome.
It's amazing how legitimately fucking naive people are when it comes to realizing there is absolutely nothing special about the west anymore and China is brutally far ahead in general capability of the populace. They have copied our system and basically produce everything on earth with far more smart people than any other single country can muster. All of this is in spite of the CCP buttfucking its own people for decades on end until they realized maybe killing all the academics wasn't the smartest idea. |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:45 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Other than the Song comparison this is total nonsense (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055826) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:50 PM Author: motley blathering corner incel "Other than the thousand years where the West produced nothing of significance and the demonstrated ability of East Asian countries to rise to prominence after copying our educational special sauce, this is total nonsense" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055835) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:18 PM Author: walnut yapping institution China was third world when we were growing up. Rises and falls to prominence happen all the time. What does that have to do with overall contributions? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055917) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:29 PM Author: Brindle roast beef Wtf? Tommy turd skin? Is this true? The only chinese contribution in history is called THE chinese remainder theorem because it is literally the only one? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055790) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:55 PM Author: nyuug cumskins arent obsessed with asians FOR SURE (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055849) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:58 PM Author: nyuug asians are so UNCREATIVE and STUPID DURR DURE (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055853) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:14 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Where did I say asians? I said China. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055906) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:16 PM Author: nyuug there are hundreds of countries in asia, you could apply your same argument to any one of them, essentially a completely pointless thread (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055912) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:19 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Yeah but I made it about China specifically for nsam, and he didn't even show up (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055920) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:20 PM Author: nyuug nsam is a moron who ive personally gaped hundreds of times (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055922) |
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Date: August 30th, 2026 7:43 PM Author: nyuug threads [about asians] are from 2017 or 2012. Date: February 8th, 2026 7:16 PM
Author: cowgod
How much longer do White Males have to suffer reverse discrimination? |
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Date: August 30th, 2026 7:48 PM Author: nyuug yeah OP is from 2012 for sure (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50104988) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:55 PM Author: "in real life" they did invent stuff, just less than white people, who went through the scientific and industrial revolutions first, so this shouldn't be surprising
the better question is why do they still invent way less stuff than white people |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 5:57 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Yeah but not just a little less, it was MUCH less. And a lot of it prior to industrialization, and then also after the East industrialized it continued. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055851) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:03 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/patents-by-country (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055862) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:05 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Having a lot of patents definitely explains why almost all of modern maths, physics and engineering was created by Europeans! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055867) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:08 PM Author: Maize marketing idea garrison (MAF birdshit with no inventions) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055877) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:20 PM Author: walnut yapping institution I think on xo I have traditionally been considered Jewish or brown (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055923) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:09 PM Author: motley blathering corner incel The internet was the last great invention of white people. Given the composition of AI labs and AI researchers whites certainly cant really lay exclusive claim, and Chinese labs have already demonstrated more creativity in their technical methods than American labs with 10-30x the scale of funding.
Why hasn't White America invented anything in the last 20 years despite the complete explosion of our capital markets? We should have been entering a golden age of creativity with the insane amount of wealth at our disposal with financial hegemony and we made... Facebook and SaaS. Shenzen and the rise of a supernexus of manufacturing is more impressive than anything we've done lately. We basically don't invent anything more ourselves -- where do you think e.g. 3d printing came from? It certainly wasn't Ycombinator or the millions of lawyers we produce |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:13 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Even if all of this is granted, it isn't really responsive to the OP unless you think this erases everything that already happened historically (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055904) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:20 PM Author: motley blathering corner incel Shit changes. 50 years ago China was a complete backwater because it had a profoundly retarded government. 150 years ago it was a backwater because Europe got to the scientific and industrial revolution first. But that is not now, and right now the West is not the center of innovation. We're sitting around pointing to history while China has produced a manufacturing wonder of the world and has pushed far ahead of us in basically every aspect of hard tech. And even in biotech and software they have caught up despite not having the benefit of our money printing machine and capital markets
I'm sure Europeans said the same shit about America in the mid-late 19th century (by which time we had the population to rival the great powers of Europe). It didn't take long for us to displace them as the intellectual and technological center of the world, and societies moved slower then than they do now. |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:22 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Yeah good point (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50055929) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 6:23 PM Author: "in real life" white people still invent way more stuff per capita than chinese
since nobody else in this thread has actually proffered an explanation, i'll say that i think it's because europeans were selected for the capability to think in abstract terms (relative to other pops). everything about europeans - values, behavior, culture - happens at a higher level of abstraction relative to non-europeans
this isn't necessarily A Strictly Superior characteristic, or inherently Good, but it did lead to europeans being more inventive, among other competitively advantageous consequences for them |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:14 PM Author: cracking lay coldplay fan I agree with this. Europeans evolved to live indoors much of the winter, and abstract rumination would have been selected for.
Also why whites are the best at making and using machines: we evolved in conditions where we could sit and tinker all winter |
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Date: August 10th, 2026 10:14 AM Author: "in real life" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50057354) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:39 PM Author: Aphrodisiac lilac skinny woman resort Scientists in China just made one of the most important scientific discoveries of the last century.
https://x.com/i/status/2086590484621697444 |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:58 PM Author: walnut yapping institution lol at calling it one of the most important scientific discoveries of the last century, whoever wrote this is an idiot. glueballs have been a standard consequence/prediction of QCD for decades. even non-abelian gauge theory itself was in the past century and that is much bigger than finding a particular glueball candidate. and yang from yang-mills theory was chinese american so not like I'm saying that to be anti-azn or something (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50056209) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 8:13 PM Author: rusted mischievous gaping what is quantum chromodynamics? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50056245) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:19 PM Author: walnut yapping institution Subfield of Jewish physics (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50056574) |
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Date: August 9th, 2026 9:23 PM Author: Aphrodisiac lilac skinny woman resort "but the Higgs boson..." (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50056412) |
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Date: August 10th, 2026 6:27 AM Author: at-the-ready razzle dingle berry range this thread feels like a chink bug trap (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50056991) |
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Date: August 10th, 2026 6:35 AM Author: walnut yapping institution I enjoyed the part where someone was trying to argue that Confucius + gunpowder + a few math results refutes the historical concentration of foundational modern breakthroughs. And also the wild claim of wholesale earlier Chinese versions of core modern results. Still chuckling at the idea that Qin Jiushao could be comparable to Hilbert or Gauss. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50056994) |
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Date: August 10th, 2026 6:48 AM Author: at-the-ready razzle dingle berry range also they have more excellent patents filed than any planet we communicate with (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50057000) |
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Date: August 10th, 2026 4:27 PM Author: insane public bath corn cake What about fireworks, birdshit? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50058473) |
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Date: August 10th, 2026 4:45 PM Author: Aphrodisiac lilac skinny woman resort Did we ever get an answer to this? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891046&forum_id=2#50058536) |