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Is my friend a racist? Said he would never date a black/hispanic

He's white. He said he would never date a black or hispanic ...
Big-titted Trip Range
  12/25/08
"Is he a racist?" yes, probably. "Or do...
obsidian institution
  12/25/08
I don't understand the "or." Yes, he's racist. ...
Unhinged rehab
  12/25/08
...
Big-titted Trip Range
  12/25/08
sorry but you are a racist, and no matter how often you vote...
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
To be fair, TCR. If you even recognize that someone is a ...
bateful kitchen faggot firefighter
  12/25/08
If you're prejudging people you haven't met yet due to their...
Unhinged rehab
  12/25/08
...
Big-titted Trip Range
  12/25/08
So why would you say you have a preference for whites? ...
Unhinged rehab
  12/25/08
...
Big-titted Trip Range
  12/25/08
yep, you're racist too.
Unhinged rehab
  12/25/08
I suppose the majority of whites are racist then
Big-titted Trip Range
  12/25/08
Welcome to America.
Unhinged rehab
  12/25/08
...
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
More like any predominantly white nation.
Big-titted Trip Range
  12/25/08
you deleting/editing your posts = white guilt
Unhinged rehab
  12/25/08
i think you're a dumb bitch, but you're fucking credited rig...
Elite property
  12/26/08
although over the years the majority of whites have made som...
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
dood, you're a blatant fucking racist, are you a self hater ...
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
A couple things: 1. This is to some extent bullshit. I ca...
Demanding meetinghouse
  12/26/08
negative discrimination based on race == racism. it's the fu...
Elite property
  12/26/08
1. Why do you hate America? 2. It seems like you are hope...
Demanding meetinghouse
  12/26/08
the difference is in the exclusionary intent. choosing to fa...
Elite property
  12/26/08
why do people like you prefer others to hide the truth. woul...
slap-happy location immigrant
  12/26/08
"You should also value diversity of opinion." F...
Elite property
  12/26/08
first off, he is a fucking lying fucking douche. secondly, y...
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
AA is racist. Thank you for admitting this.
outnumbered well-lubricated psychic
  12/25/08
...
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
hope that makes you feel better.
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
...
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
dood...anyone can be a blonde bro...i've seen asian chicks w...
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
...
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
im sure it's easier to call me flame than to admit to yourse...
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
They're justifying it with the "same background and bet...
Unhinged rehab
  12/25/08
this is like watching a boozer realize for the first time th...
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
Wow. What he described isn't a "preference," it's...
narrow-minded irradiated spot
  12/25/08
...
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
Even guys who really like dark hair wouldn't say that. They...
Arousing Brunch
  12/25/08
...
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
I recant. That shit's racism disguised as a "preferenc...
narrow-minded irradiated spot
  12/25/08
you missed my post before i edited.
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
No.
narrow-minded irradiated spot
  12/25/08
Correct, it's more idiotic than racist.
Snowy Locale Nowag
  12/25/08
No.
nyuug
  12/25/08
Hohoho. I put the racist bastard on the naughty list.
obsidian institution
  12/25/08
racist but it's okay to be racist in love. unlike, say, pub...
lurid anal narrative
  12/25/08
is he gay, hispanic chicks have baging bodies black i get...
Self-centered Hospital
  12/25/08
...
maroon juggernaut university
  12/25/08
suck and fuck.
Mewling patrolman
  12/25/08
...
maroon juggernaut university
  12/25/08
...
maroon juggernaut university
  12/25/08
More stupid than racist. Hispanic chicks are hot.
Mind-boggling Address Sound Barrier
  12/25/08
fat ppl always feel hot
maroon juggernaut university
  12/25/08
Is your opinion based on growing up a poor next to poor mexi...
Mind-boggling Address Sound Barrier
  12/25/08
To be fair, Excellent reference.
bateful kitchen faggot firefighter
  12/25/08
I think I cried. Best Christmas post evar.
crawly cruise ship
  12/26/08
so the vast majority of threads today are basically whokebe ...
Navy Vibrant Center
  12/25/08
this is right.
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/25/08
black chicks at my law school say they will only date black ...
At-the-ready slimy hairy legs
  12/25/08
Most of my buddies are like this. They're not racist - they...
Fuchsia erotic knife
  12/25/08
"they just don't find black or hispanic features attrac...
amber striped hyena elastic band
  12/25/08
I know plenty of doods who are most attracted to Anglo featu...
Fuchsia erotic knife
  12/25/08
Anybody who is attracted to a certain hair color, skin color...
amber striped hyena elastic band
  12/25/08
Is this surprising? Don't races tend to marry within their ...
Thriller Useless Brakes
  12/25/08
ty
Hairless Space Candlestick Maker
  12/26/08
OP - you are so gullible and naive. first of all, your 'fri...
Appetizing goal in life
  12/26/08
It seems strange to say that. Although, I've had Asian dude...
Boyish tanning salon
  12/26/08
i'm attracted to white girls only. especially when it comes ...
slap-happy location immigrant
  12/26/08
Racist. Considering that the Miss Universe contest is rou...
canary mildly autistic athletic conference orchestra pit
  12/26/08


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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:22 PM
Author: Big-titted Trip Range

He's white. He said he would never date a black or hispanic girl.

Is he a racist? Or do several people hold similar beliefs but just don't express them overtly?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588254)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:22 PM
Author: obsidian institution

"Is he a racist?"

yes, probably.

"Or do several people hold similar beliefs but just don't express them overtly?"

see: above

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588258)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:24 PM
Author: Unhinged rehab

I don't understand the "or."

Yes, he's racist.

Yes, several people hold similar beliefs but just don't express them overtly.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588262)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:25 PM
Author: Big-titted Trip Range



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588264)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:28 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

sorry but you are a racist, and no matter how often you voted for change, you're still a waspy aryan savage bloodthirsty fucking protestant.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588273)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:30 PM
Author: bateful kitchen faggot firefighter

To be fair,

TCR. If you even recognize that someone is a different shade than you are you are a fucking racist (if you're white).

HT.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588276)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:30 PM
Author: Unhinged rehab

If you're prejudging people you haven't met yet due to their race, that's racist. You should see people as individuals.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588279)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:32 PM
Author: Big-titted Trip Range



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588282)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:33 PM
Author: Unhinged rehab

So why would you say you have a preference for whites?

You make it sound like you'll date a black or hispanic person if they prove themselves to be good enough for you, but you don't see white people the same way. You already have a disposition against blacks and hispanics before you've met them.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588284)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:34 PM
Author: Big-titted Trip Range



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588287)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:35 PM
Author: Unhinged rehab

yep, you're racist too.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588291)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:37 PM
Author: Big-titted Trip Range

I suppose the majority of whites are racist then

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588294)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:37 PM
Author: Unhinged rehab

Welcome to America.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588296)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:39 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588299)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:40 PM
Author: Big-titted Trip Range

More like any predominantly white nation.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588301)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:44 PM
Author: Unhinged rehab

you deleting/editing your posts = white guilt

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588316)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 5:27 PM
Author: Elite property

i think you're a dumb bitch, but you're fucking credited right here

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10593148)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:40 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

although over the years the majority of whites have made some strides towards not being racists, but the fact is that they are not self aware enough to address the problem 100%.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588302)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:35 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

dood, you're a blatant fucking racist, are you a self hater too?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588289)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 7:33 PM
Author: Demanding meetinghouse

A couple things:

1. This is to some extent bullshit. I can say with certainty that all things being equal I would rather date a girl who is short, with black hair, with C-cup tits, and who is white. This is "my type" of woman. I tend not to find black or asian women sexually appealing, although there are exceptions. In the same way, blond women don't really do it for me. I ask you, how is this proclivity towards people with black hair substantively different than a proclivity towards people with white skin?

2. To the extent that this is racist, why is racism per se a bad thing? Sure, racism has led to a lot of destructive things: (a) black neighborhoods, (b) segregation, (c)the holocaust. But it's also led to some good things: (a) America, (b) white neightborhoods, (c) stronger communities built around a common ethnic identity, (s) a multicultural world (in that if all races and cultures mixed, we would have a one-world super-culture rather than any meaningful diversity). Whose to say that the golden mean, "all things in moderation," doesn't apply to racial identity as well?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10593623)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 7:38 PM
Author: Elite property

negative discrimination based on race == racism. it's the fucking definition. it's why AA does NOT equal racism.

the negatives of racism FAR OUTWEIGH those trivial positives. but obviously you're entitled to your own beliefs, however stupid and socially detrimental they are.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10593672)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 7:45 PM
Author: Demanding meetinghouse

1. Why do you hate America?

2. It seems like you are hopelessly confused. How is "I prefer white people to black people" (like this dudes' friend seems to be saying with regards to dating) any more "negative discrimination" than "I prefer black people to white people" (as lawschools say with regards to lawschool admissions)? When we're talking about racial preferences, there is tautologically both a negative and positice component.

3. This is why you are an imbecile.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10593708)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 8:52 PM
Author: Elite property

the difference is in the exclusionary intent. choosing to favor blacks inevitably, of course, means some whites who would have BUT FOR that favoring been accepted, but this is clearly not the intent. on the other hand, a dating "preference" like "i will NOT date blacks/hispanics" is innately exclusionary.

the funny thing is both you and the guy who posted below you are both on the same "side" but are decrying different aspects of my stance against racism. and your semantics-based argument is in fact the exact thing he objects to.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10594069)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 7:47 PM
Author: slap-happy location immigrant

why do people like you prefer others to hide the truth. would you rather he say he was open to dating other races yet go through his life never approaching other races and dating totally within his race. would this make you happy?

You should also value diversity of opinion.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10593729)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 8:54 PM
Author: Elite property

"You should also value diversity of opinion."

Fuck Cultural Relativism.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10594079)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:27 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

first off, he is a fucking lying fucking douche. secondly, yes he is racist. any decision made based upon skin color is racist, including personal preferences.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588270)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:44 PM
Author: outnumbered well-lubricated psychic

AA is racist. Thank you for admitting this.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588318)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:27 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588271)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:29 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

hope that makes you feel better.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588274)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:35 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588290)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:39 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

dood...anyone can be a blonde bro...i've seen asian chicks with big asses.... i mean....no agenda, i really think that if someone has "racial preferences" then they are fucking racists, and the ones who deny being racists could quite possibly be, mentally ill.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588297)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:40 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588306)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:41 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

im sure it's easier to call me flame than to admit to yourself that you're a bigot.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588308)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:43 PM
Author: Unhinged rehab

They're justifying it with the "same background and better looking" thing.

But if that were true, they would say they prefer people with a similar backgrounds and similar values who are good looking. But they're preselecting on race alone.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588314)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:45 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

this is like watching a boozer realize for the first time that he is an alcoholic.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588320)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:56 PM
Author: narrow-minded irradiated spot

Wow. What he described isn't a "preference," it's writing of an entire race without any thought. If he had said something like "I'm normally only attracted to white chicks" or some shit like that, that would be different. I'm not sure I'd call what he's saying racist, but it's certainly not just a preference.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588376)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:07 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588423)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:38 PM
Author: Arousing Brunch

Even guys who really like dark hair wouldn't say that. They wouldn't give Claudia Schiffer a chance? It's retarded.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588501)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:46 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588517)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 3:30 PM
Author: narrow-minded irradiated spot

I recant. That shit's racism disguised as a "preference" for only one race.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588666)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 3:31 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker

you missed my post before i edited.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588670)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 4:18 PM
Author: narrow-minded irradiated spot

No.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588863)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:56 PM
Author: Snowy Locale Nowag

Correct, it's more idiotic than racist.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588379)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:39 PM
Author: nyuug (WGWAG: It's now or never.)

No.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588298)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 1:57 PM
Author: obsidian institution

Hohoho.

I put the racist bastard on the naughty list.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588384)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:41 PM
Author: lurid anal narrative

racist but it's okay to be racist in love. unlike, say, public policy

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588508)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:41 PM
Author: Self-centered Hospital

is he gay, hispanic chicks have baging bodies

black i get because there are few black and asian chicks i would date. but hispanic chicks are meant to suck and fuck

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588509)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:47 PM
Author: maroon juggernaut university



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588520)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:47 PM
Author: Mewling patrolman

suck and fuck.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588522)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:48 PM
Author: maroon juggernaut university



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588526)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:49 PM
Author: maroon juggernaut university



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588529)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:56 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Address Sound Barrier

More stupid than racist. Hispanic chicks are hot.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588549)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 2:57 PM
Author: maroon juggernaut university

fat ppl always feel hot

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588551)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 3:03 PM
Author: Mind-boggling Address Sound Barrier

Is your opinion based on growing up a poor next to poor mexicans? If so man, I gotta tell you, there's a whole other world out there. Lets go exploring!

*jumps on sled*

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588567)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 3:03 PM
Author: bateful kitchen faggot firefighter

To be fair,

Excellent reference.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588570)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 5:21 PM
Author: crawly cruise ship

I think I cried. Best Christmas post evar.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10593125)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 3:08 PM
Author: Navy Vibrant Center

so the vast majority of threads today are basically whokebe talking to himself, correct?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588587)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 3:14 PM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker

this is right.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588602)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 3:14 PM
Author: At-the-ready slimy hairy legs

black chicks at my law school say they will only date black guys all the time, it is no big deal

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10588603)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:16 PM
Author: Fuchsia erotic knife

Most of my buddies are like this. They're not racist - they just don't find black or hispanic features attractive and don't see themselves ever being attracted enough to a black or hispanic girl to want to fuck her. A lot of white dudes find only white girls (i.e. girls of northern or western european extraction) attractive.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10590118)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:23 PM
Author: amber striped hyena elastic band

"they just don't find black or hispanic features attractive"

Doesn't make sense (I don't think it's clear what features are common to much more than a village). Sounds like self-deceit.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10590150)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:28 PM
Author: Fuchsia erotic knife

I know plenty of doods who are most attracted to Anglo features - naturally blonde or light brown hair, fair skin, small nose, light eyes.

Not everyone thinks "ethnic" or "exotic" is attractive. I don't.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10590176)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:32 PM
Author: amber striped hyena elastic band

Anybody who is attracted to a certain hair color, skin color, or eye color is already lost. Noses vary spectacularly within races. Your doods are dumbs.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10590204)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:31 PM
Author: Thriller Useless Brakes

Is this surprising? Don't races tend to marry within their own race preferentially? I don't think this is racism in the pejorative sense, it's more that people find people who look like them to be more attactive.

Looking at the census stats:

- whites make up 77% of US population yet 98% of whites marry whites

- blacks make up 13% of US population yet 94% of blacks marry blacks

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10590195)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 11:56 AM
Author: Hairless Space Candlestick Maker

ty

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10592013)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 12:04 PM
Author: Appetizing goal in life

OP - you are so gullible and naive. first of all, your 'friend' doesnt choose not to date blacks or hispanics. rather, blacks and hispanics (and most women for that matter) CHOOSE not to date your friend.

guys who cant get any typical use that lame excuse: 'aww man...i would've totally fucked her but uhhh errr she wasn't my type..yea!'



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905237&forum_id=2#10592044)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 12:16 PM
Author: Boyish tanning salon

It seems strange to say that. Although, I've had Asian dudes hit on me that tell me they aren't into other Asians.



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Date: December 26th, 2008 5:27 PM
Author: slap-happy location immigrant

i'm attracted to white girls only. especially when it comes to marriage/family. call me racist if you wish

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Date: December 26th, 2008 10:29 PM
Author: canary mildly autistic athletic conference orchestra pit

Racist.

Considering that the Miss Universe contest is routinely won by Venezuelan women, I don't see how white men can say they are "only" attracted to white women. Maybe something about the Anglo features are attractive to them innately, but these features are possessed by racial mixes as well. If you say you only want to date white women, that thinking is no better than a Nazi looking to pass down the white genes.

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