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Harvard lost at least $18 Billion

How Much Has Harvard Really Lost? Harvard University's ad...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-epstein/how-much-has-harv...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
To be fair, where are the MATH55's when you need them?
rambunctious painfully honest toilet seat business firm
  12/25/08
ML bought by BOA, MS bought by Mitsubishi and WB bought by ...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
Date: December 25th, 2008 7:54 PM Author: truthinlending ...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
They aren't highly talented because they made money. They a...
Flesh nibblets
  12/25/08
Madoff pwned?
motley bawdyhouse
  12/27/08
I wonder what other schools are going to report
Up-to-no-good Provocative Church Volcanic Crater
  12/25/08
Harvard copied Yale's investment strategy so...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
not really
topaz dog poop hunting ground
  12/25/08
Harvard has been around for centuries and will be around for...
rachmiel
  12/25/08
Have they cut that new scholarship program yet?
Chocolate Round Eye
  12/25/08
Sup, Alexander?
deep azure tank
  12/25/08
Not really. Their Private Equity investments require cash c...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
from insider To me, what is intriguing is the back story: W...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
Bullshit.
Flesh nibblets
  12/25/08
well
topaz dog poop hunting ground
  12/25/08
Oil will go right back up.
rachmiel
  12/27/08
No one is saying that Harvard won't be around for centuries ...
Sickened address stock car
  12/27/08
NYU has a gigantic endowment, but it'll always be NYU. As...
rachmiel
  12/27/08
for yale to become the best school would require it to overt...
charcoal regret
  12/27/08
LOL
Sickened address stock car
  12/27/08
Yale's weakness in the sciences is embarassing.
Titillating Claret Pit
  12/27/08
oh boohoo harvard might be down 50% for the year, i mean hav...
startling associate university
  12/25/08
the problem is H needs cash right now.
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
why would you presume such bullshit? Hey, Harvard has a chu...
Flesh nibblets
  12/25/08
not true
topaz dog poop hunting ground
  12/26/08
they lost nothing since they sold nothing. this is just a pl...
Carnelian drunken deer antler native
  12/25/08
AIG, Lehman .... they sold nothing. Evaluation loss.... d...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
those are publicly traded companies dimwit whose assets coll...
Carnelian drunken deer antler native
  12/25/08
From Above Despite the size of its endowment, Harvard bad...
Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle
  12/25/08
well, i guess a harvard mba is worthless
Carnelian drunken deer antler native
  12/25/08
nobody is insulting harvard here, why are you taking this so...
Up-to-no-good Provocative Church Volcanic Crater
  12/25/08
dood, 1/4 of the putnam top 50 go to H. and don't get me st...
Cerebral burgundy pozpig degenerate
  12/25/08
burn
charcoal regret
  12/25/08
i don't understand a word you just said
Up-to-no-good Provocative Church Volcanic Crater
  12/25/08
"they lost nothing since they sold nothing." YO...
fragrant spot gaping
  12/27/08
Damn someone beat me to the Math 55 line.
Stirring flickering resort
  12/25/08


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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:06 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

How Much Has Harvard Really Lost?

Harvard University's admission that it lost $8 billion from its $36 billion endowment fund, as staggering as it sounds, may grossly underestimate the true magnitude of the loss between from July 1 through Oct. 31 2008. According to a source close the Harvard Management Corporation (HMC), which runs the fund for Harvard, the loss is closer to $18 billion if the losses on the fund's illiquid investment are realistically appraised.

To be sure, the highly-talented-- and highly- incentivized- MBAs at HMC did exceedingly well for Harvard during the early years of the new millennium. From 2000 to 2008, they more than quadrupled the notional value of Harvard's wealth through a strategy that involved shifting the lion's share of Harvard's money from American stocks, bonds and cash to to highly esoteric investment which were not only illiquid but whose imputed value often could not be easily determined by outside parties. So, by the time the bubble burst in the fall of 2008, less than a fifth of Harvard's endowment fund was invested in exchange-listed stocks and bonds. Where was the rest of Harvard's money? Nearly 28% of Harvard Endowment fund was in what the fund manager's called "real assets," a category comprised of timber forest and arable land in remote areas, commercial real estate participators, and huge stockpiles of oil and other physical commodities. Such "real assets" plunged in value, if they could be sold, much more severely than the stock market averages. Oil, for example, one of the fund's largest investment, lost about t two-thirds of its value. Another huge chunk of the endowment was in private equity placements and hedge funds which imposed restrictions on withdrawals. In the case of so-called "gated" hedge funds, some of which suffered enormous losses, Harvard could only extract its investment by selling its participation at a steep discount to a "secondary" hedge fund. Another 11 percent of Harvard's money had been sunk in volatile emerging markets. Here the investments took a double hit: First, the local stock markets collapsed in most of these countries, with, for example, Russian stocks, losing 80%, of their value. Second, on top of these losses. the local currencies lost much of their value against the dollar, with the Brazilian Real, for example losing 40% of its value. Given the true cost of getting its money out of this financial exotica, my knowledgeable source finds the claim by Harvard's money managers that the fund only lost 22 percent not only "purely pollyannaish" but self-serving (they got increased bonuses for 2008). But while Harvard's money managers may chose to look through rose color glasses at the value of their portfolio , Harvard University, which relies on the interest from its endowment fund for one-third its budget, needs to be more realistic. As its President, Drew Faust, noted in letter to the Harvard faculty, "We need to be prepared to absorb unprecedented endowment losses and plan for a period of greater financial constrain,"



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:08 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-epstein/how-much-has-harvard-real_b_152711.html

The collateral damage goes far beyond the ivy-covered walls of Harvard. Money managers at other non-profit institutions, no doubt inspired by the dazzling success of the Harvard Management Corporation in rapidly multiplying the notional value of its endowment fund adopted similar strategies, including plunging their funds into the murky get-rich-fast universe of illiquid investments. Consider, for example, the adventures of Calpers, the giant pension fund of the California Public Employees' Retirement System, I which heavily invested in the same sort of "real assets" as Harvard. Leveraging its own funds, It bought so much undeveloped real acreage, that by 2008 it became the largest private land owner in America, and as the real estate bubble expanded, it marked up the notional value of its portfolio accordingly. Then came the subprime debacle, and the real estate bubble imploded, leaving Calpers with unsalable land and, because of its borrowed funds, a 103% loss. Together with other losses in hedge fund and conventional investments, Calpers found that it had lost nearly 40% of the value of its entire pension fund. In Calpers's case, it had little choice other than to realistically report its enormous losses since it had pension obligations that now might require raising money from local governments in California. Other nonprofit funds with more leeway, such as Harvard, have yet to fully come to grips with the problematic value of their illiquid investments.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589073)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:09 PM
Author: rambunctious painfully honest toilet seat business firm

To be fair, where are the MATH55's when you need them?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589078)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 9:06 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

ML bought by BOA, MS bought by Mitsubishi and WB bought by

Wells.

If Harvard fails to survive, it should ask for help.



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589680)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 10:52 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

Date: December 25th, 2008 7:54 PM

Author: truthinlending

10 November, 2008

LPs may not be able to fulfill capital calls

The economic slowdown is forcing many limited partners to not consider new VC and PE funds next year

If you�fre thinking about raising a fund next year, think again.

The downturn in the public markets has had a significant impact on limited partners, throwing their allocations out of whack, and there is growing anecdotal evidence that venture and private equity firms are being affected.

Take for example Alpinvest Partners, which has more than $51 billion under management. The LP is currently evaluating about $3 billion worth of secondaries �gwith a short fuse,�h according to a VC source. The investor says that Alpinvest told him that it has no interest in new funds because �gso many great managers can be had for 50 cents on the dollar�h on the secondary market.

The VC source says that he was also recently approached by another LP with several billion dollars under management. (He declined to name the investor.) The LP has seen the value of its liquid securities decline from about $2 billion to $1 billion and is now concerned that it won�ft have the cash to fund $1.5 billion in commitments to VC and PE firms.

The VC says that to make certain it has cash, the LP is begrudgingly selling stock and pulling money out of hedge funds. It has also reached out to every one of its fund managers to let them know about its situation and ask for their help.

It doesn�ft want to have to sell its stakes on the secondary market, so it�fs asking funds to transfer parts of its commitments to other LPs, the VC says.

In the case of this particular VC, the LP committed less than $20 million and is looking to reduce its commitment by 50% to 75 percent. Though the commitment is relatively small, the LP is pursuing the reduction. �gThey�fre looking for scraps anywhere they can,�h the VC source says.

This VC�fs experience is not unique. The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the California Public Employees' Retirement System, the nation�fs largest public pension fund, �ghas been unloading stocks and other assets in a falling market to make sure it has enough cash to meet its obligations, including capital calls due to private-equity partners.

CalPERS has asked some of its partners to delay their capital calls, according to people familiar with the matter. A CalPERS spokesperson said that CalPERS has been �eworking with its private-equity partners on the timing�f of the capital calls.�h

Other LPs are also trying to raise capital. Harvard Management Co. has retained Cogent Partners to sell about $1 billion worth of stakes in venture and buyout funds, as first reported in mid-October by PE Week affiliate peHUB.com.

Last week, VentureWire reported that, in addition to CalPERS and Harvard, the list of LPs asking their GPs to delay capital calls, looking to sell stakes on the secondary market or sell other assets to raise capital includes the university endowments of Brown University, Columbia University Investment Management Co., Duke University Management Co. and University of Virginia Investment Management Co. �\Lawrence Aragon

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10590030)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 6:23 PM
Author: Flesh nibblets

They aren't highly talented because they made money.

They are highly talented because they made an amount of money taking less risk than current market would charge for making that amount of money.

18 billion dollars later, they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589271)



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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:20 PM
Author: motley bawdyhouse

Madoff pwned?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10597364)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:14 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Provocative Church Volcanic Crater

I wonder what other schools are going to report

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589100)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 6:28 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

Harvard copied Yale's investment strategy so...

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589278)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:00 PM
Author: topaz dog poop hunting ground
Subject: not really

Everyone else copied Yale's investment strategy of basically running a fund of funds. Harvard on the other hand actually has alot of stuff run internally in addition to their external fund management group. I

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10590054)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:17 PM
Author: rachmiel

Harvard has been around for centuries and will be around for centuries more. These are long-term investments, and their intrinsic value has not changed. Markets fluctuate, but the value of these "real assets" doesn't so much.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589113)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:19 PM
Author: Chocolate Round Eye

Have they cut that new scholarship program yet?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589117)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:19 PM
Author: deep azure tank

Sup, Alexander?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589119)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:20 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

Not really.

Their Private Equity investments require cash calls

and H has a cash flow problem right now.



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589121)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:29 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

from insider

To me, what is intriguing is the back story: Why did Harvard go public with this, when it did not need to? To manage expectations? To address questions arising out of the internal memo, which probably leaked to the press? Institutions like Harvard guard their public image and press as much as they can.

When I was an employee there, I coordinated many an emerging issue with public affiars folks. They are good, they know their job, and they are real guardians of the image.

So, did this spin out of control? Sure got a lot of what appears to be mostly negative press - NYT, WSJ, probably Newsweek or Time next week? The level of detail in the articles I read tell me that someone was pretty frank with reporters, in ways they did not need to be.

Or, was this a planned "leak" to alert their constituents (alums etc) about coming changes?

I don't know, but I wonder.

I used to know Harvard finance well. Harvard and its sister institutions use tax exempt bond issues because they are much cheaper to do - the tax exemption of interest is a "gift" to the debt issuer by the government in the form of lower interest rates.

The point is that, to the degree they can use tax exempt bond proceeds for things, that frees up other cash they might have. The fact that they don't have any other cash to free up points to a cash flow problem that can only be fixed by issuing taxable bonds. There were times in the past when Harvard did not even resort to tax exempt bonds for projects, so much of this is curious.

Needless to say, Harvard would rather get cheaper funds than through a taxable bond offering. In fact, I don't think they've ever had to do this before. If you have decent data access, maybe you can check.

So why would an institution issue "taxable" debt? I can think of only two reasons: They're tapped out for tax exempt debt (a real possibility) or the markets are so hostile to tax exempt that they must go the taxable route. Keep in mind that tax-exempt borrowing is tied to the secured asset, not the use of funds. I know of at least one case (can't give details for obvious reasons) where H used existing buildings as collateral for tax exempt bonds to get money for a new project. Because money is fungible, it is rarely a problem to obtain funds through a tax exempt offering that frees up cash to be used for things like investments. The fact that H is not doing this is, in fact, most curious.

While it may be possible to play some games saving cash for investments (if you have cash lying around), the tax-exempt HEFA bonds have to be tied to capital construction or renovation projects.I think the size of the taxable borrowings (and the size of the endowment cash calls), is going to pretty much preclude playing any games.

The State of New Jersey pension funds just answered an emergency cash call of $155 million to a Black Rock hedge fund. Remember, Harvard just tried (aparently unsuccessfully so far) to unload $1. 5 billion in private equity commitments. We are talking serious coin, cash that even Harvard can't raise without borrowing.

Harvard didn't have to say that their taxable borrowing would be "substantial". They volunteered that information, which suggests to me that it will probably be VERY substantial.

n recent years, Harvard has raised significantly more through taxable bonds than tax exempt bonds. In the first six months of 2008 alone they raised $722 million out of which more than $500 million was in taxable bonds. That is not counting another $350 million in taxable commercial paper.

The funds raised through non-taxable bonds are for specific purposes and the amount is controlled by the state of Massachusetts. They could not use a taxable bond issue to cancel the swap agreements, a major purpose of the current offering. As of June 2008, the cost of cancelling these interest rate swap agreements was over $330 million (up from $13 million in June 2007).

Despite the size of its endowment, Harvard badly needs cash as most of its holdings are highly illiquid. Only around $6 billion of its endowment funds (as of June 08) were unrestricted, most of that also illiquid. They are also getting a number of cash calls on their private equity and venture deals forcing them to dump $ billions worth of these investments at a fraction of their cost. By the time the dust settles, the value of the endowment could drop by 50%.

I found it interesting that Harvard did not choose to state their outstanding capital call obligations. The annual reports I've been looking at from other schools do state them in the notes: $200 million for Swarthmore, $268 million for Williams, and so forth. With an endowment 20 times larger and a more aggressive investment strategy in alternative funds, I'm guessing Harvard's obligations are somewhere north of $5 billion.



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589145)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 6:20 PM
Author: Flesh nibblets

Bullshit.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589264)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:02 PM
Author: topaz dog poop hunting ground
Subject: well

Well many commodities such as oil are considered "real assets" in the endowment classification buckets.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10590063)



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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:13 PM
Author: rachmiel

Oil will go right back up.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10597327)



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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:20 PM
Author: Sickened address stock car

No one is saying that Harvard won't be around for centuries more, but, if Yale's endowment comes to exceed Harvard's, it is not impossible that Yale could replace Harvard as the nation's best school. Yale's 25% reported loss included a full estimate of the loss that accounted for Yale's real investments. Harvard's 22% loss accounted only for marketable securities (I believe Yale reported approximately a 13% loss for marketable securities). It seems to me that there is a real possibility that Yale's endowment will exceed Harvard's by the end of the June 30, 2009 fiscal year.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10597365)



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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:21 PM
Author: rachmiel

NYU has a gigantic endowment, but it'll always be NYU.

As does Penn.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10597369)



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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:28 PM
Author: charcoal regret

for yale to become the best school would require it to overtake mit, stanford, etc in addition to harvard



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10597387)



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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:31 PM
Author: Sickened address stock car

LOL

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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:58 PM
Author: Titillating Claret Pit

Yale's weakness in the sciences is embarassing.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10597491)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:30 PM
Author: startling associate university

oh boohoo harvard might be down 50% for the year, i mean have you guys not looked at your 401ks lately lol

seriously unless they had a bunch of lehman swaps, those alt investments and commodities are going to hold value way better than whatever you and i have

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589146)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:32 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

the problem is H needs cash right now.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589150)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 9:11 PM
Author: Flesh nibblets

why would you presume such bullshit?

Hey, Harvard has a chunk of this asset so it won't go down as much. Not how it works.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589704)



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Date: December 26th, 2008 10:09 AM
Author: topaz dog poop hunting ground
Subject: not true

"seriously unless they had a bunch of lehman swapsthose alt investments and commodities are going to hold value way better than whatever you and i have"

Not necessarily true. Investing in Private Equity partnerships give you alot of implied leverage. Oil has been beaten down much worse than the S&P over the last year.



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10591702)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:38 PM
Author: Carnelian drunken deer antler native

they lost nothing since they sold nothing. this is just a ploy to get more donations

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589160)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:43 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

AIG, Lehman .... they sold nothing.

Evaluation loss.... downgrade...cash call...evaluation loss....downgrade...cash call.....and....

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589168)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:46 PM
Author: Carnelian drunken deer antler native

those are publicly traded companies dimwit whose assets collapsed.

Harvard is a non profit and they will be fine

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589177)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:50 PM
Author: Duck-like Theatre Wrinkle

From Above

Despite the size of its endowment, Harvard badly needs cash as most of its holdings are highly illiquid. Only around $6 billion of its endowment funds (as of June 08) were unrestricted, most of that also illiquid. They are also getting a number of cash calls on their private equity and venture deals forcing them to dump $ billions worth of these investments at a fraction of their cost. By the time the dust settles, the value of the endowment could drop by 50%.

I found it interesting that Harvard did not choose to state their outstanding capital call obligations. The annual reports I've been looking at from other schools do state them in the notes: $200 million for Swarthmore, $268 million for Williams, and so forth. With an endowment 20 times larger and a more aggressive investment strategy in alternative funds, I'm guessing Harvard's obligations are somewhere north of $5 billion.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589195)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 5:51 PM
Author: Carnelian drunken deer antler native

well, i guess a harvard mba is worthless

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589203)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 6:03 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Provocative Church Volcanic Crater

nobody is insulting harvard here, why are you taking this so personally?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589237)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 8:05 PM
Author: Cerebral burgundy pozpig degenerate

dood, 1/4 of the putnam top 50 go to H. and don't get me started on the IMO.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589503)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:42 PM
Author: charcoal regret

burn

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10590268)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 11:56 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Provocative Church Volcanic Crater

i don't understand a word you just said

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10590374)



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Date: December 27th, 2008 2:12 PM
Author: fragrant spot gaping

"they lost nothing since they sold nothing."

YOU'RE A FUCKING FINANCIAL GENIUS!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10597320)



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Date: December 25th, 2008 9:46 PM
Author: Stirring flickering resort

Damn someone beat me to the Math 55 line.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=905322&forum_id=2#10589824)