It's predictable they put a record at #2 from an artist no one cares about and said yeah it was because of her political impact, i.e. feminism. Wow!

The idea that indie is basically low energy folk music with quirky lyrics is idk an odd definition. I consider, you know, Animal Collective to be indie but they used synthesizers and they weren't from the 90s so I guess it's out?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247392)

Every alternative band with an ax and and overdrive pedal leapfrogs this entire space. Sure, there's a market for Guided by Voices. There are white dudes who voted for Kamala. Just not very many of them.

Soft rock has always had a Place in rock n roll history, but it's always taken a back seat to the harder stuff.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247413)

nice to see those two in the top 20 but otherwise dont know what to make of this list. cant say ive listened to most of them though

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247489)

maybe the list sucks but that isnt the issue

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247867)

agree on the voices at least. imo people(includes you i guess) cant hear past the faggy singing and it makes the whole thing sound similar even when its totally different

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247910)

what were odd inclusions to you?

when i think indie rock i dont think of the stone roses so that surprised me a little. but at #49? if youre gonna put that on there its gotta be way higher, like top 5

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247898)

No Husker Du?

Too punk maybe, but they include Minutemen

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247889)

- Some great albums on the list. However, none of it matters because none of this aesthetic has any relevance, nor ever will again. Kids today may like Nirvana, but then they skip all this shit. Indie rock, in the end, is dadmusic for men who never procreated.

thought that was a brutally murderous phrase at the end

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247921)

fucking exile in guyville is #2? LMFAO. pitchfork is retarded and gay now. CRCR is top 10, i could see top 5. the liz phair record is maybe top 30.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247943)

sorry for the reddit link but the founder of pitchfork has tried to have this scrubbed from the internet. it is absolutely cringey: https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/q2oesu/fondly_remembering_when_the_founder_of_pitchfork/

shit, cat.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248471)

honestly, some decent albums in here. too much post-2010, indie was shit by then. crooked rain is a great album, but how is slanted and enchanted not top 10? should have had another built to spill album too

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247975)

Think I'm familiar with at least half of these, but i'm gay.

of the top 50, these were some I listened to regularly (mostly in college): Broken social scene, Silver Jews, Destroyer, TV on the radio, arcade fire, Interpol, the Walkmen, The national, the stone roses.

others i tried to listen to but never became a big fan of (likely because they were just too faggy or weird): Neutral milk hotel, pavement, wilco, sufjan stevens, built to spill, spoon

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50247979)

Once, freshman year of college, me and this guy from class both were in love with this little armenian girl we sat by. His name was like Gavin or something. Skater type guy. Nice enough dude.

She'd drive us both to lunch in her lexus, and she had some cable to hook her ipod to the stereo which was a novelty at the time. The other guy hooked his up and played some gay shit like in the OP, I think Arcade Fire maybe, and you could feel the humidity in the car go to zero as her vagina dried up. Then she hooked up my ipod and put it on shuffle and it played that wu tang song with the long intro about heating a wire hanger on the stove and sticking it in a guys asshole. She laughed her cute little armenoid face off. Soon it was just me and her going to lunch as a duo.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248106)

Portland offers a reprieve

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248336)

Google AI says: The defining, "hip" movement in craft beer is "Crispy Boi" Craft Lagers.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248372)

does the author make a distinction between "indie band" and the "indie sound" at any point in this very long pitchfork list

for MM i think their first album was properly "indie" but the one they cite was heavily heavily produced (by a production shop on par, practices-wise, with industry grinder 'fueled by ramen' for a pop punk analogy) if my fallible memory recalls correctly

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248818)

the classification raises a good point re "what *is* indie?"

i think for most people it refers to that jangly 00s college rock/folk infused sound and this reveals how non-descript the label is in the process

"indie" music as music historians sometimes describe it starts in the UK with record label-hostile punk bands or perhaps shortly after that with stuff like the buzzcocks where the driving point behind the band was a refusal to sign with a major label and a preference for homemade production quality

for millennials it's stuff that sounds like the smiths or joy division or ministry's first album but with 00s digital production/recording quality OR particularly folksy pop

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248877)

shins at #40 are about what i'd consider to be the soul of the genre as most ppl of our time consider it. not that album tho

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248929)

and neither here nor there but what a fucking album that is. pulled it out of my dusty cd rack recently sonic sexo

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248940)

he has some good picks as well. NMH and yo la tengo in the top 25

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248831)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV_BIjhVsIw

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248898)

never going to pick up a YLT playlist or album of my own volition but hearing it for the first time way back when it was easy to go "yeah, i think i get it"

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248927)

NMH is practically unlistenable sometimes. same with boards of canada

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248955)

sonic youth is "crunchy" and intentionally a little offputting but otherwise fairly listenable. the couple of albums i've heard of theirs had pretty traditional rock arrangements throughout, barring an odd track here or there

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50248994)

Sonic Youth is arguably rock's greatest band that eschewed hooks and pop sentiment and formula. They were among the greatest sophisticates of all time and the best ever to never give the audience what they wanted.

NMH is sappy, stylized, and mediocre. They may have invented the genre but The Shins slammed the door with pop sensibility. Once you've heard good songs with that arrangement you don't really want to hear shite ones.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5920931&forum_id=2#50249039)