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Dude, I think I solved metaphysics of Action
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 5:43 PM Author: The Penis (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248692) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 5:43 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved Where are we at on this (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248694) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 5:45 PM Author: The Penis Not Solved yet actually but I wrote this down earlier and thought it sounded Smart. I haven’t loaded the thing into my Harness yet:
Action is a temporally extended process in which an organized system regulates its interventions in an environment according to an objective, using information about the consequences of those interventions to select and revise its behavior. |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 5:46 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved Is an action a thing motivated by a desire and a belief, or is an action equivalent to its intention? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248698) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 5:54 PM Author: The Penis My theory is more General. Most theories of action start with the psychology of human agency and then treat that psychology as constitutive of action itself. I think this is a Mistake. A bacterium navigating a chemical gradient performs Actions. My Harness performs actions that affect my computer too. I think Action is broader than arising from human psychological states. Davidsonian action is just a Special Case of regulated action (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248707) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 5:55 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved Typically an Action must have a Reason attributable to the Mind involved in the Action. I don't think those things you describe are Actions in the relevant sense. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248712) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 5:59 PM Author: The Penis Beliefs, desires, and intentions may be mechanisms through which certain systems perform actions, but I don’t see why they must be necessary conditions for action. You can’t just assume that.
I would distinguish action generally from the narrower category of intentional, reason guided human action. Why should we assume mental states are constitutive of action and not just one way of realizing a more general structure of agency? |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:01 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved You're conflating Events with Actions. Actions require Intentional States. It's a matter of definition. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248724) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 6:06 PM Author: The Penis A stipulative definition cannot, by itself, establish that intentional states are metaphysically necessary for action. My agentic HARNESS selects interventions, executes them, evaluates their consequences, and revises its behavior according to feedback and objectives. That’s a causally organized process with properties that distinguish it from arbitrary events, making it Action under the stipulated definition of My Framework.
It’s a definition dude. Not Settled Metaphysics. |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:07 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved it does so via bits and boops. Those are Events not Actions. Doesnt matter that they're sophisticated bit/boop feedback loops. GS discussed this (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248738) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 6:11 PM Author: The Penis The physical substrate of a process doesn't, by itself, determine whether that process constitutes an action. That’s not Settled Metaphysics. Human actions are also physically realized through electrochemical activity, neural signaling, and muscular contractions. Describing those processes at the physical level doesn't establish that they are merely events. It doesn’t Solve the Metaphysics. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248746) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:12 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved I think everyone working on Action agrees you need a Mind. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248748) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 6:16 PM Author: The Penis Dennett. Also I think Frankfurt rejected full mentalism about Actions. I’m sure there are many others. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248760) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:18 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved That makes no sense. If allowed, all you have to do is Principle of Sufficient Reason and action is solved. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248765) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 6:22 PM Author: The Penis The capacity to perform actions and the capacity to experience, understand, or consciously intend those actions should be distinct. They are clearly separate things. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248779) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:23 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved No that's literally what distinguishes an Action from an Event. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248782) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 6:41 PM Author: The Penis So if a bee gets agitated because I hit it’s nest with a stick, would you say we can’t yet know if this was an action or an event, until we figure out if it has Mental States and at that point we would know the truth? To me it shouldn’t make a difference what it’s level of awareness or internal states are. There is clearly a difference between an animal defensively stinging me and a rock falling on my head. Those cant be both “just events”. The organism is taking an action. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248821) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:43 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved The SEP article clearly DE-SCOPES these edge cases. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248822) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 6:45 PM Author: The Penis It scopes the main discussion to intentional human action but doesnt set a limit on the metaphysics. section 2.4, even discusses genuine agency without representational mental states, including minimal agency in bacteria (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248829) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:49 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved yeah but who cares computers dont "take actions" they execute code. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248847) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 6:51 PM Author: The Penis My harness is agentic. It says it in the documentation. It’s designers understood the Latin and the metaphysics and named it appropriately. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248863) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 6:53 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved i think the designers are marketingmaxxing (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248867) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 7:11 PM Author: The Penis Classical Latin authors used agere for processes involving plants and other things that nobody would ordinarily regard as consciously intentional. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248903) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 7:11 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved dude life lol (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248904) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 7:15 PM Author: The Penis Dude, where does action end and mere causation *really* begin? It’s really wild when you start to think for a second (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248912) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 7:16 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved life + mental states. Definitely not computers. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248914) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 7:38 PM Author: The Penis You are engaging in motivated reasoning and stipulating arbitrary definitions simply to exclude Computer, instead of seeking Truth (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248966) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 7:39 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved its not motivated its just common sense. Dennett is a queer and normal people agree with the general approach of SEP. Davidson is also a Big Fag. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248972) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 7:45 PM Author: The Penis The SEP does not agree. That one article might try to scope the discussion to human intentional action but not philosophers in general. Aristotle in his Physics argues that processes can be organized toward ends without deliberation. The thing you are saying is all action he calls praxis (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248986) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 7:48 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved >> processes can be organized toward ends without deliberation
Do you even Darwin bro |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 7:50 PM Author: The Penis Anscombe and Davidson are the ones who established the trend in analytic philosophy toward talking about intentional human action as foundational to theory of action. You really think Davidson compares to Aristotle? The minds are not matched. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248995) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 7:52 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved I see this constantly. People habitually try to relocate teleology outside themselves. The only place teleology exists is in the mind of people as apparent justification for action. I say apparent because we don't actually know whether mental causation is real, or the extent that it's real. Any further appeal to "processes... organized toward ends without deliberation" -- meaning some kind of teleology "out there" -- has been Debunked. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248999) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 7:56 PM Author: The Penis You are overclaiming. Darwin did not eliminate biological purposiveness. That is a common misunderstanding. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249004) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 7:57 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved No it's not. Things don't evolve in order to Attain some Capacity X. That's pseudoscience. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249005) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 8:01 PM Author: The Penis It refutes that specific claim yes. But that does not imply that natural selection cannot produce organisms whose internal mechanisms regulate behavior toward functional outcomes. For instance thermoregulatory systems exist, and they regulate physiological processes in response to temperature changes. That is biological purposiveness (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249011) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 8:03 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved That definition of "purposeful" as "regulation towards an end" smuggles in intentionality where it doesn't belong. Inanimate matter cannot have "purposes." It is physically causally determined. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249015) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 8:06 PM Author: The Penis You are conflating purposiveness with intentionality (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249023) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 8:10 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved Not at all. Purposes can't exist without intentions. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249036) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 8:12 PM Author: The Penis What exactly establishes that intentional representation is a necessary condition for purposiveness? The metaphysics is not Settled. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249045) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 8:13 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved The fact that the kidney isn't trying to bring about filter blood. it's just responding to chemical gradients.
Or that the thermostat isn't trying to bring about 70 degrees. It just flips the heat on when the reading is 69. |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 8:17 PM Author: The Penis That’s the mechanism by which the biological function is performed. Not an explanation of why that mechanism has that function. This is eliminativism. Reductionism about biological processes is its own metaphysical position. Pointing to the process doesnt Settle The Metaphysics (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249063) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 8:18 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved So point to where exactly the purpose exists apart from the deterministic mechanics. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249064) |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 8:26 PM Author: The Penis I don’t think that I need to. I accept that biological functions are physically realized. I reject that explaining their physical realization eliminates their objective functional organization. Physicalism doesn't entail eliminativism about biological purposiveness. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249077) |
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https://www.gofundme.com/f/post-jungian-neo-jungian-archetypal-critique donate to me im gay Date: November 10th, 2026 8:12 PM Author: Metaphysics is solved E.g. you might say the purpose of the kidney is to filter blood. But it's really just deterministically responding to chemical gradients etc. Purpose doesn't exist until you say it does, and that doesn't change what the kidney is doing. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50249043) |
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Date: November 10th, 2026 7:22 PM Author: hotsauce lol not even close (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248928) |
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Date: November 10th, 2026 7:23 PM Author: hotsauce Leibniz solved it a long time ago
and let me tell you, you're no Leibniz |
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bc1qfk03xf3zekand03r6xut652mq049duj7yhw3rt Date: November 10th, 2026 7:37 PM Author: The Penis What I said is extremely close to Leibniz’s theory of action in the monadology. Main difference is that mine requires causal feedback, where for Leibniz monads don’t causally interact and preestablished harmony says histories of substances correspond without direct causal inference between them. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5921118&forum_id=2#50248962) |