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Physicalism and determinism are logically independent
| comical gas station round eye | 10/02/26 |
| cracking clown | 10/02/26 |
| comical gas station round eye | 10/02/26 |
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| comical gas station round eye | 10/02/26 |
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Date: October 2nd, 2026 11:18 AM Author: comical gas station round eye (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5908845&forum_id=2#50166671) |
Date: October 2nd, 2026 11:20 AM Author: cracking clown gemini said this i think i just dont understand physicalism. if you have physical state P1 and mental state M1 that cause P2/M2 why isnt P1 sufficient to cause P2 and then its just epiphenomenalism? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5908845&forum_id=2#50166678) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2026 11:23 AM Author: comical gas station round eye Yeah that's actually Kim's causal exclusion problem. But what about under identity theory when you've got SUPERVENIENCE happneing? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5908845&forum_id=2#50166692) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2026 11:27 AM Author: cracking clown i think SUPERVENIENCE is cope and smuggles in cartesian dualism. you have to be radical about the identity and basically claim p1/m1 are indistinguishable, and you cant make any causal claims about p1 separate from m1. that's illogical under identity theories (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5908845&forum_id=2#50166700) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2026 11:27 AM Author: comical gas station round eye I think causal closure of the physical is the key premise here. not determinism. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5908845&forum_id=2#50166702) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2026 11:30 AM Author: cracking clown Kim is an epiphenomenalist irrc (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5908845&forum_id=2#50166711) |