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Halp Bros--Old Law Firm Stole My Couch

I worked at a firm and recently left. When I first started w...
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Date: October 4th, 2012 5:28 PM
Author: supple domesticated potus field

I worked at a firm and recently left. When I first started with this firm, I purchased a couch to nap on between 2pm and 3pm each day, schedule permitting. I was packing up my office last weekend and brought a friend along to help move the couch out. The partner happened to be there and said "not so fast, that's my couch." I calmly explained I had purchased it and brought it in to the office to nap on. He called it an "abandoned fixture" and said under some county ordinance it belonged to him. Halp.

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Date: October 4th, 2012 7:14 PM
Author: chrome lodge patrolman

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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:50 PM
Author: Filthy pozpig

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Date: October 5th, 2012 11:10 AM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 5:32 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:23 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:30 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Volcanic Crater Friendly Grandma

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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:35 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:39 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:17 PM
Author: Carnelian casino

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Date: October 4th, 2012 6:46 PM
Author: Carnelian casino

If I recall correctly from my 1L property class, you may have a right to the furniture. The common law rule is that whatsoever is fixed to the realty is thereby made a part of the realty to which it adheres. However, the new, prevailing rule is that tenants may remove whatever they install for the purpose of carrying on a trade (i.e. trade fixtures), provided that they can be uninstalled without injury to the premises, and that such removal is effected before they yield possession of the premises. Arguably, the couch was a trade fixture--you put it in your office for the purpose of aiding you in carrying on your trade as a lawyer. Given that you can remove it without injury to the premises, and because you haven't completely yielded possession of the premises, I think you have a colorable claim that you have a right to that couch, notwithstanding any extant ordinances. The rationale behind this rule is that it is conducive to trade and commerce. The tenant installs things for the benefit of carrying on his trade, not to enhance the landlord's realty.

You should also be aware that there are other theories that may be applied to these circumstances, depending on what jurisdiction you're in. There is the institutional theory: additions to the realty become a part of an economic unit, and therefore become the landlord's property.

I sincerely xoxohth. Let me know if you have any questions or if I need to clarify or expand on anything.



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Date: October 4th, 2012 7:08 PM
Author: know-it-all stage striped hyena

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:07 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:08 PM
Author: Hideous Self-absorbed Tanning Salon Mood

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Date: October 5th, 2012 2:11 AM
Author: costumed lime resort elastic band

The firm is the tenant. Analysis irrelevant unless the shitlaw firm is some sort of coöp structured like a salon where you rent your own chair/office. HTH

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Date: October 5th, 2012 4:26 AM
Author: Bearded Pearly Space Nowag

Couches aren't fixtures of any type.

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Date: October 5th, 2012 9:46 AM
Author: Carnelian casino

Ah, yes, well, because I'm a BIGLAW billy rather than a shitlaw steve, I would bring multiple claims if I was helping OP get his couch back. The aforesaid analysis is merely a possible argument if my other more cogent arguments fail. Look at it as a sort of quasi-landlord-tenant argument, perhaps. Surely, though, there is an argument to be made under the doctrine of finders. Let’s see what that analysis would look like, shall we? The rule of finders is that the finder of property has a right to that property against all the world except the true owner or prior possessor. In this case, OP is the true owner and prior possessor. Therefore, his boss does not have a right to that property. However, bossman is claiming that OP abandoned the couch. In order for one to abandon something, there must be an act of abandonment and intent to abandon. I’ll go ahead and concede that there was an act of abandonment; there is surely an argument that there was. However, OP never intended to abandon the property, as evidenced by his return to the premises in order to retrieve said property. Therefore, the property was not abandoned. Thus, again, OP has a colorable claim that he has a right to that couch.

Again, I sincerely xoxohth. Do let me know if I need to clarify or expand on anything.



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Date: October 5th, 2012 12:05 PM
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Date: October 5th, 2012 2:06 PM
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Date: December 6th, 2013 2:24 PM
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Date: May 27th, 2017 2:50 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Volcanic Crater Friendly Grandma

Couches don't even get installed. The doctrine you're looking for here is manifestly mislaid.

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:09 PM
Author: Provocative Rebellious Parlour Jew

Eh, I don't know about no couch but I'd probably be facing felony jail time if they added up all the office supplies I stole over the years.



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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:15 PM
Author: Carnelian casino

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:16 PM
Author: Provocative Rebellious Parlour Jew

I just have a thing for paper clips and post-it notes. I think I'm kinda planning to build a yacht out of post-its.

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:20 PM
Author: Carnelian casino

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:20 PM
Author: Frozen Mexican Dragon

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Date: October 4th, 2012 10:24 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:19 PM
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Date: October 4th, 2012 11:43 PM
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Date: October 5th, 2012 9:18 AM
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You are flame or the partner is a fucking idiot. In no way is a couch a fixture. In no way have you abandoned it.

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Date: October 5th, 2012 12:08 PM
Author: diverse ivory corner

Fuck yo couch!

Buy another one you rich motherfucker!

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Date: October 5th, 2012 6:42 PM
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Date: May 27th, 2017 2:50 PM
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Date: July 19th, 2017 2:33 PM
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