The city Department of Education has told about 45 families zoned for PS 199 on West 70th Street that the high-performing school has no room for their kids — and to enroll them instead at low-performing PS 191 on West 61st Street.

Disappointment turned to outrage when the state Education Department posted its 2015-16 list of the most dangerous schools. The state cited 97 “violent and disruptive” incidents at PS 191 in 2013-14. These include four sex offenses, two arsons, 12 assaults with physical injury (four with weapons), 10 cases of bullying (eight with weapons), and dozens of “minor altercations.”

Deputy Chancellor Elizabeth Rose met with parents on July 30, the day before the damning list came out, and sang PS 191’s praises.

“They told us the school is safe. But it’s on this list,” fumed Andy Davis, who has a 5-year-old daughter. “With less than four weeks before school starts, the DOE has given us no other option.”

Under the federal No Child Left Behind law, students in “persistently dangerous” schools may transfer to a safe school. PS 191 has 510 students.

Last year, PS 199, which had 836 students, added a seventh kindergarten class to accept kids on the waiting list. This year, it rescinded the seventh class, saying it needed the space for a “cluster room,” typically used for science, art and computers.

The school added two kids to each of the six remaining classes, squeezing in 12 more, but shut out 48 others. The original waiting list was 94, but some families have turned to private schools or moved.

The DOE is violating its own rules, parents say. Every school must serve “all children who live within its attendance zone,” Chancellor’s Regulations state, and may reduce “non-mandatory programs” to make room. Other overcrowded schools use cluster rooms or trailers.

Many families chose the high-rent neighborhood near Lincoln Center, or stayed there because of PS 199’s first-rate reputation. In the latest state test results, 79 percent of kids there passed the tough Common Core math exam; 87 passed the English exam. The school is 66 percent white.

At PS 191, only 11 percent passed the math exam and 12 percent passed the English exam. The students are 80 percent black and Hispanic, many from nearby public housing.

“It’s not a racial issue,” one parent insisted. “It’s the test scores and the violence.”

The DOE is working to make PS 191 safer, a spokesman said. It will “make offers at other schools” for PS 199 castoffs this month.

Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal, whose district includes both schools, blamed the crisis on the DOE’s “total lack of planning.”

http://nypost.com/2015/08/16/parents-refuse-to-send-kids-to-dangerous-school/

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28562759)

The kids are 5-12 years old!!!! or maybe held back several years?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#29028318)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28562811)

Frankly, unless one is super wealthy, I think tcr in the NYC metro is to have a nice house in an affluent suburb and a pied-a-terre in MFH.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28562926)

Let's take the UWS as an example, since that's what's being used in the article. Looking at Corcoran (which isn't the end-all, be-all of nyc real estate websites, but it's a start), there are ZERO 3BR/2BA apartments listed on the UWS for less than $2M, and only TEN for less than $3M.

Here's one for $2.1M on 100th and West End Ave, which might not even be in a good elementary district: http://www.corcoran.com/nyc/Listings/Display/3439940. I chose it because at 1500 sq ft it makes sense for a family of four. You're also paying almost $2000 a month for common charges/taxes

OTOH, you can have this beautiful home in Larchmont, which is a top suburb about a half hour train ride out of NYC and with a nice walkable downtown for $1.575m: http://www.houlihanlawrence.com/property/37899539/60-vine-road-larchmont-ny-10538

And that leaves you enough left over for a 1BR on the UWS in the 80s, which is a nice area: http://www.corcoran.com/nyc/Listings/Display/3482708

Yes the taxes are high in Larchmont at $35k, but you're not paying city tax (which if you're making say $400k a year is gonna run you like $12-15k per year) and you will never having the upcoming private school tuition for two kids from 6-12 grades which is going to run you $35-40k per year per kid.

Idk, to me that makes a lot more sense.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28568120)

Try Bronxville or Darien.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#29434534)

It is 100% a class issue.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#29434543)

Never forget

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#33489267)

intentional busing/"integration"/etc. is way, way beyond that sort of thing.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28564395)

Bort reveling in libs getting consequence of their fraud.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#33489206)

i don't think she's going to be invited to any more dinner parties

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28565058)

show solidarity with people who can realtalk, build bonds with the like-minded.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28567538)

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Is this an accurate description of No Child Left Behind? So, as soon as a school is persistently dangerous, in theory every student has a legal right to transfer out and the school ceases to exist? And then the students that were making it persistently dangeorus in the first place infect a previously safe school? JFC.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28564473)

»And where would the project kids go? [ REPLY | MORE ]

»Rikers

LJL

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28568121)

20% black + 40% white + 20% Hispanic + 20% Asian = less diverse

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28568026)

Could you imagine the uproar if a family moved to Scarsdale with two toddlers and then when they were ready to enroll in Kindergarten the town said "oops we're too full, but hey we'll bus you to new rochelle or mt. vernon!"?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28568291)

Of course no rich or even middle class people in the city where I work send their kids to public school and the suburb/rural area I am in the district is 180. Even out here, a substantial portion send their kids to private schools.

Hearing the shitlib coworkers who live in the city is hilarious. Some of them are working to improve the schools but they still send their kids to private school. Some have mental anguish about it, but most are unrepentant.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28568306)

I lol at NYC parents though...who the fuck raises kids in NYC without at least 10 million net worth

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#28646514)

If you're some dweeb from an average public school in the middle of nowhere, the networking opportunities are lost on you so you probably don't realize how much they benefit someone.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#29434573)

http://www.westsiderag.com/2015/09/29/coveted-ps-199-school-zone-would-shrink-dramatically-under-education-department-rezoning-proposal

LOL @ those who bought apartments thinking they'd get this school district...

Have fun at the failing school with your diverse classmates, kiddo!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#29028163)

http://ny.chalkbeat.org/2015/09/09/de-blasio-kicks-off-school-year-with-pre-k-praise-acknowledges-school-diversity-concerns/?utm_source=Master+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=7799e77840-Rise_Shine_9_10_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_23e3b96952-7799e77840-75578181#.Vipb70YmGFG

At P.S. 9 on the Upper West Side, de Blasio expressed concern about a lack of diversity at many schools across New York, which became a hot topic after a UCLA report last year found that New York City’s schools are among the most racially segregated in the country. However, the mayor stopped short of suggesting policy remedies.

“I believe we have a long history that we’re trying to overcome in this city and in this country of division,” de Blasio said. “We want to be creative. We want to see if there’s other ways we can further this work, because it really is historic and necessary work. But we also don’t have, you know, the perfect solution yet.”

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2964921&forum_id=2#29028215)