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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:09 AM Author: Avocado Concupiscible Hospital Coffee Pot (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805915) |
Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:12 AM Author: Adulterous yellow orchestra pit Don’t worry Trump’s economic boom will undo any ill will (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805920) |
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Date: November 2nd, 2026 1:18 PM Author: '"''"''''''''"""'" (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#50222595) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:18 AM Author: buff cracking resort voyeur this was always going to happen, but we still have to do the needful to save the country from a fiscal nightmare like Japan
I’m not even sure the GOP will have a shot at the WH in 2028 because of this, but I don’t see an alternative |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:20 AM Author: Wine Whorehouse Digit Ratio how is it a viable alternative when Dems will just undo literally everything Trump did and then some? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805937) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:24 AM Author: buff cracking resort voyeur meh, it takes a lot longer to build than it does to destroy. and there’s already a lot of relief among moderates that the crazy shit is going away so there won’t be an appetite to bring it back
that being said, I think the DNC needs a very moderate candidate to win in 2028, and I’m not sure Newsom can reform his image fast enough to be that guy |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:30 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy My instinct is that the Dems have to lose one more presidential election to truly defeat the crazies. The progressives control the grassroots and energy. Many think they weren't progressive enough in 2024 and that's why they lost. Note how ferocious they are when it comes to trans rights instead of backing away from it, even in sports. Winning the House in 2026 thanks to being the opposition rather than support for their policies will be interpreted as a win for the progressive caucus and trip them over in 2028. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805969) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:34 AM Author: buff cracking resort voyeur probably correct. can you even imagine having BOTH parties actively trying to do what’s best for America instead of one of them trying to tear the country apart at the seams?
it’s insane that we are where we are |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:36 AM Author: MAGA's Prolapsed Anus (No Future) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806001) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:48 AM Author: Vigorous brilliant sandwich It’s hard to get a read these days because the MSM is so pointless and irrelevant, but post election there is a ton of hostility toward trans, BLM, pro-immigration NGOs, anti-police activists and basically anyone who ever worked for Elizabeth Warren. The Dem activists only exist because of the NGOs, and the NGOs are gutted now between USAID and their donors being disgusted with the above mentioned “groups” and the results that have occurred over the past 10 years. I think this moment is the best possible window for a big Dem shift to the middle, and the narrative that the moderates and donors will push is “we won because we moderated and focused on kitchen table instead of identity politics.” Especially given how much the 2020 primaries pulled the party left, I don’t think there’s any appetite to just run it back with the tackle box full of buttplugs gang and see what happens. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806043) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:06 AM Author: Naked Heaven Hairy Legs very few people give a fuck about the trans issue you shut in incels. Only hardcore retards (this board) who will vote Trump anyway and hardcore libs (who will vote Dem anyway). People vote on pocketbook issues and Trump wrecked their pocket books.
The Wisconsin Race is your future, hth. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:19 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy Sure, dude. Isn't this what you've been saying for years and years now? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806178) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:31 AM Author: Naked Heaven Hairy Legs ? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806216) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 11:05 AM Author: buff cracking resort voyeur people with kids care very much actually (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806316) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 8:02 PM Author: mauve excitant gay wizard university To be fair,
(Political genius who just six months was crowing about how conturds better get used to saluting Kween K) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:26 AM Author: internet-worthy stead jap They weren’t progressive enough when it comes to the economy. They need to ditch the identity shit and focus on the failures of this administration. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806195) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:31 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy Let's address your post.
What do you mean they weren't progressive enough on the economy? What exactly is the Democrats' platform on the economy? Biden, after all, unleashed an enormous spending platform, spending on a scale never seen before. What did that accomplish? I don't know, other than inflation. Oh, and yes, rich people got richer due to asset inflation. Otherwise can you tell me?
Because I really don't know what the progressive caucus want. They seem happy to take donations from Soros and most billionaires. Trump, on the other hand, does talk about bringing jobs back for American workers, which in his definition means the old fashioned 1950s factory jobs that paid a decent salary and benefits, not the night shift at 7-11. I don't know if this can actually happen but let's put it this way, I understand why the working classes are steadily flocking to the Republicans while the establishment classes, the top 10-15% of Americans, are steadily Democrats. It's the reverse of the New Deal coalition by party.
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:44 AM Author: overrated stage it's insane that both parties are essentially risking the country's existence over one issue that affects like five people in the whole country (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806266) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 1:28 PM Author: Crawly organic girlfriend state If Newsom starts visibly greying and balding he will much more palatable to middle America. His lack of norwooding will be his peril (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806815) |
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Date: April 3rd, 2025 1:34 AM Author: buff cracking resort voyeur wow (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48809761) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:26 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy The administration is banking on being temporarily unpopular from carrying out structural fiscal reform. Reagan did the same, was walloped in the 82 midterms, went on to win the last true landslide in American politics in 84. Another precedence in Margaret Thatcher in the early 80s too. One can see a similar precedence in Clinton in 92-94-96.
The admin is playing the four year game, not two years. It is a gamble and I can also observe they might be trying to do too much all at once, why the tariff wars now on top of the major budget cuts and tax cuts, rather than in sequence. Maybe their argument is to get all the pain up front this year and into early 2026, then see the shoots of a new boom by summer 2026. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:28 AM Author: buff cracking resort voyeur yeah I agree with all of this, but the rot is much deeper than 40 years ago and so might be the blowback from a society that has millions of people in govt sinecures supporting tens of millions of people who don’t contribute to society either (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805961) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:28 AM Author: Adulterous yellow orchestra pit their economic policies are idiotic and highly inflationary. huge tariffs combined with tax cuts and no hope of raising production. they are fucked (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805963) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:34 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy It's a gamble. I have also spent enough time around economists to listen to them but not assume they are always right.
Pretty much every economist in the world declared Brexit would be an economic disaster for the UK and would plunge the country into a recession. Neither happened. In fact, very little seems to have changed and the UK has done a bit better than the EU economy as a whole, although there are other economic issues but no one attributes them to Brexit.
So while I agree with the economic argument aggressive tariffs do more harm than good, I'm willing to be surprised. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:35 AM Author: Adulterous yellow orchestra pit It's only a "gamble" if it has a hope of succeeding, it does not. You're steelmanning a fundamentally idiotic and pointles strategy out of cope. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805998) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:01 AM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt) i don't even see it as much a gamble when we have potus and no one is getting past the filibuster in the senate. the type of short term thinking of never doing anything because of the next election has been ruinous. and i don't think it really matters when nothing significant is getting legislated even if dems had 70% of house seats. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806104) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:16 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy Agree. If I was a strategist in the admin I'd be pointing out the following:
1. Even with a reasonably popular president, historically the opposition party does better in midterms and picks up seats. Given how narrow the majority is, the Dems taking back the house in 2026 is virtually built in.
2. The seats are now so gerrymandered that any Dem majority is going to be smaller than might have been expected from historical records. The GOP learned this the hard way in 2022. They won the most votes cast nationally by a few points but it translated into far fewer seats than they'd have won a decade earlier thanks to gerrymandering. The Dems misread this as a mandate for Biden to continue with his agenda.
3. The GOP and Dems have changed places as the party getting out the vote in midterms and special elections. But gerrymandering also blunts the Dem's ability to capitalize on GOTV in those years.
4. Hysteria around entitlement reform/cuts is mainly among boomers who watch MSNBC, who are already Dem voters and surefire to turn out in midterms anyway. Younger voters have more to gain from entitlement reform and will turn out in presidential years. Make sure you develop a good policy narrative and strategy targeted to voters under 55 about reform needed to save social security (so far this is a weak spot for the admin. Hope someone is reading this thread and paying attention. Vance? Hello, Charlie Kirk?).
In other words, my war strategy would be to get everything done between now and Nov 2026, then when the house is lost, use 2027-2028 House Dem control as an excuse to blame all the problems on their obstructionism and unwillingness to work with the Admin for the future fiscal good of America, heading into 2028 with a Dem party more unpopular than the GOP presidential candidate especially among voters under 55.
Of course, all these assumptions could be blown out of the water if the tariffs tip the US into a depression. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:30 AM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt) exactly.
a hypothetical landslide victory in the midterms (which is unlikely for the reasons you mention anyway) is not something they could capitalize on anyway when there's GOP POTUS. most people don't think about "who is really at fault" in a nuanced way, which is why POTUS gets blamed/praised for shit that has little to do with them all the top. the perception will be that dems "won" in 2026 and then can be blamed for not capitalizing on it, regardless of whether they had much of an ability to.
additionally, what's the alternative? don't do big changes because you're worried about the short term consequences? that's how we wound up in the current situation. and people are growing tired of it. it reminds me of dems doing victory laps about how dobbs would be devasting to the GOP in the next election. so what? they accomplished what they wanted. the goal is to change policy. and people are getting tired of do nothing democrats and recognize that at least the GOP does things. democratic voters are demoralized by their party's "don't do anything" stance. they're paralyzed by short-term thinking. doing nothing might be tcr move in the short-term, but over time it's devastating. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:29 AM Author: Adulterous yellow orchestra pit saving it from fiscal ruin by increasing the budget deficit with tax cuts while doing weird spending cut kabuki theater with doge
top kek |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:35 AM Author: Lilac violent tanning salon titcr. If they think the debt is a serious problem requiring immediate attention they'd put in place a program of austerity and tax increases. But they're just attacking the parts of the budget that are "lib-coded" with virtually no impact on spending, while ballooning the deficits with tax cuts. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806235) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:41 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy Tax cuts: stimulate economic growth by leaving more money in the hands of the people.
Spending cuts: reduce the size of the deficit and weaning government off borrowing.
Outcome is economic growth that simultaneously reduces the share of the deficit as a size of the US economy.
All a theory at this point, of course. But nothing ventured, nothing gained. It also doesn't help the Dems have no credibility from the Biden admin spending and no plans whatsoever to address the fiscal cliff. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:44 AM Author: Lilac violent tanning salon "But nothing ventured, nothing gained."
We've had enough experience with the Bush Tax cuts and now the 2017 Trump cuts to know it never works out that way. About half of our 36 trillion debt is attributable to those two cuts. Add Kansas' experiment with big cuts. Your existing tax rates have to be super-high to get more revenue over the long-run from cuts. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 11:06 AM Author: buff cracking resort voyeur don’t forget revenues from tariffs and the TRUMP GOLD CARD (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806317) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 4:49 PM Author: Razzmatazz flickering codepig theater Bro have you ever been to Japan? If we’re on the path to japanification, sign me up. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48808133) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:21 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy Eh. Congressional seats are so gerrymandered that bloodbaths are next to impossible these days. Special year elections don't carry much weight. Remember those Texas seats along the Rio Grande that briefly voted for a GOP congresswoman before flipping back to the Dems in the next election? Kentucky Dems winning the governor's seat in off year does diddly squat for senate and presidential elections, which always reliably goes for the GOP.
Wisconsin was won by Trump by the tiniest of margins and Tammy Baldwin reelected. The Dems were holding on to a SCOTUS seat they already had. I'm not going to read too much from this election beyond that the state voted, by a landslide, to require voter ID for elections, which is a real punch in the eye for the Dem narrative. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:22 AM Author: MAGA's Prolapsed Anus (No Future) (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805947) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:28 AM Author: vivacious sable church building Voter ID was already required (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805959) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:30 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy That it won the vote of so many Dems is the most important part. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805974) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:46 AM Author: Wine Whorehouse Digit Ratio why? they still vote dem, and voted for the lib WISCOTUS candidate by 10 points, and voter ID was already required by state law (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806032) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:51 AM Author: diverse crystalline spot puppy You can nitpick it a million times bit it matters because opposition to any kind of voter ID is such a major Democratic principle and this shows many of their voters willing to disagree with the party's narrative on certain issues. I don't doubt if trans rights in sports were on the ballot it'd also be defeated by a similar margin. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806056) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:03 AM Author: Wine Whorehouse Digit Ratio no shit. how is that helpful or meaningful? also trannies in sports is not an official dem position, it’s a fringe view of those on the far left (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806109) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:07 AM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt) "which is a real punch in the eye for the Dem narrative."
he could not have been clearer and you're being completely nonresponsive. whether or not this was already required or does anything isn't relevant. he's saying that it's devastating to the dem *narrative* that people don't want voter ID when their own voters voter for it. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:14 AM Author: vivacious sable church building but muh NARRATIVE! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806150) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:29 AM Author: internet-worthy stead jap Cons got their shit pushed in and Elon was proven to be ineffective (at best) when it comes to his threats to meddle in local races
Tell me more about how ACKSHULLY this was a huge win |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:31 AM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt) i'm not weighing in on the merits, i'm just pointing out how you're being nonresponsive despite his very clear position. and you're doing the same with me now too. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806218) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:32 AM Author: Naked Heaven Hairy Legs SHUT THE FUCK UP BROWN MAN. you shouldn't be "weighing in" on American politics at all. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806223) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:42 AM Author: Lilac violent tanning salon I think in a broader sense it's another example of how money in politics has diminishing returns. We've seen this time and again from right and left candidates who we thought had massive monetary advantages. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806259) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:21 PM Author: Wine Whorehouse Digit Ratio did a majority of dems vote for it? (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48808284) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 8:00 PM Author: Accurate at predicting vs Measures of probability (gunneratttt) i said people, not dems. 2/3rd voting against it, so it's something the people don't want. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48808852) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 7:20 PM Author: learning disabled lodge "Voter ID was already required"
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state
Nope. Also, a lot of these IDs don't prove citizenship at all. There is no current requirement to prove citizenship to vote at the federal level. It is only an "attestation under penalty of perjury." |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:00 AM Author: Vigorous brilliant sandwich Yes and no. I mean you’re right of course that nearly 80% of the House is not contested and another 10% is still “likely” ie even in a wave year you’d expect nearly all to not flip. But is a 20 seat flip a bloodbath? I would call a Dem House majority resulting from 2026 that is durable beyond 2028 a huge problem for the GOP. And if we enter a prolonged/deep recession that’s likely to happen, and it will make Trump’s lame duck period pathetic and consumed by “scandals” and investigations/hearings. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806101) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:40 AM Author: Lilac violent tanning salon "Eh. Congressional seats are so gerrymandered that bloodbaths are next to impossible these days."
We had a huge flip in 2018 (40+ seats). Arguably that was further away from the 2010 gerrymandering, which might explain it. But I think there are still enough marginal districts for 20+ seat flips. I do agree about the special elections, especially given how the dem base is now the more motivated party outside of election years. |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 5:20 PM Author: Wine Whorehouse Digit Ratio holy shit i didn't realize he only won wisconsin by 29k votes (.8%). i though it was much larger, had no idea it was that close. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48808278) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 9:28 AM Author: Wine Whorehouse Digit Ratio Trump will make it so people HAVE to vote for the candidates Elon funds (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48805960) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:04 AM Author: Naked Heaven Hairy Legs LMAO -
"no longer" |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 10:45 AM Author: amethyst bat shit crazy athletic conference house Knee-jerk hatred of autists transcends absolutely everything in this world now (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806270) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 12:01 PM Author: White costumed gaping senate Trump will never be president now! (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806473) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 1:36 PM Author: Pink Crotch Trump's STAGFLATION will surely turn it around (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48806851) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 8:15 PM Author: Maize multi-colored chapel depressive Remind what office Elon Musk will be running for in 2026? 🤔 (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48808912) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 8:16 PM Author: mauve excitant gay wizard university To be fair,
CR.
Also Tesla and Twitter will have both collapsed and he will be both universally reviled and broke and powerless by 2026.
Trust me.
(I know these things.) |
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Date: April 2nd, 2025 8:39 PM Author: Splenetic light milk space He needs to stop being a halting stutter-tard. It's grating. (https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5703565&forum_id=2#48809001) |