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If EPAH doesn't have at least ten million then what is even the fucking point?

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soul-stirring plaza
  08/09/26
Wtf? Epah? Is this true?
Big locus
  08/09/26
I have a little over 1/2 that much :-(
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
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Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/09/26
How much is your house worth
Cream Parlor
  08/09/26
I guess around $4.5 by now actually. So my "net worth&...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
You disappoint me
soul-stirring plaza
  08/10/26
He barely works He funds his ex wife’s lifestyle, i...
drab concupiscible tattoo lay
  08/09/26
Why hasn't he bought me a house in Diamond Head? Will suk di...
soul-stirring plaza
  08/09/26
Okay, I lol’d
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/09/26
i'd guess he has a bit more than that. but whatever, even...
mustard faggot firefighter
  08/09/26
He just dropped a ton of coin on his transsons top surgery. ...
soul-stirring plaza
  08/09/26
cutting his kids' peckers off was important to EPAH, and i'm...
mustard faggot firefighter
  08/09/26
And they say money doesn't bring happiness
soul-stirring plaza
  08/09/26
...
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/09/26
That was covered by “insurance” to be fair. Plus...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
One weird trick.
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/09/26
Not flame the insurer tried to back out after Drumpf’s...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
Poast-moniker synergy for the ages 🤙
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/09/26
did you have any misgivings about this? how does a child rea...
mustard faggot firefighter
  08/09/26
This was at the age of 16. Were you uncertain about your gen...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
yes and yes
mustard faggot firefighter
  08/09/26
Your being sarcastic
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
I'm 41 and still have moments of doubt about my gender ident...
gunneratttt
  08/09/26
This can be really confusing to a gentleman of your age
soul-stirring plaza
  08/09/26
I can connect you with RESOURCES if you’re genuinely i...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
I have plenty of anonymous musclestuds in the hopper but I'l...
gunneratttt
  08/09/26
It's crazy because if his daughter were born 10 years earlie...
soul-stirring plaza
  08/09/26
This viewpoint is retarded my friend. There have always bee...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
Telling that you're conflating gender identity with suppress...
gunneratttt
  08/09/26
Reading comp, bro? It's a genuine question of whether it's ...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
I think the RC fail is on your end bro. Or are you doubling ...
gunneratttt
  08/09/26
I genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Can you i...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
Essentially. You're conflating being trans with being gay. A...
gunneratttt
  08/09/26
I grew up in a series of VERY rural towns in the American We...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
Yet you, a very high IQ middle aged man, conflates gender id...
gunneratttt
  08/09/26
Mfcr My gay trans friend wants to get snipped. He's like ...
soul-stirring plaza
  08/10/26
My friend is a closeted gay man who wants to be a woman. No ...
soul-stirring plaza
  08/10/26
Is that not UPL? ### This has been a message from United ...
fluffy fiercely-loyal striped hyena
  08/09/26
What's "UPL"?
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
Unlicensed Practice of Law. It is an interesting question of...
fluffy fiercely-loyal striped hyena
  08/09/26
Microplastics and their consequences have been a disaster fo...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
...
green really tough guy space
  08/09/26
Lmao Hawaii judge ftl
soul-stirring plaza
  08/09/26
...
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/10/26
he's pretty young
lascivious state scourge upon the earth
  08/09/26
“Early 40s” (49)
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/09/26
"Age" is Flame and I'll never become "older&q...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
180
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/10/26
Forever 47 is not a hobby it is a lifestyle 🐾
Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/10/26
i am 47 not flame
mustard faggot firefighter
  08/10/26
im not sure how tf im as rich as him also i feel poor af ...
cerebral sexy son of senegal
  08/09/26
I came here before TRUMPFLATION and I live cheaply.
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
No way he’s not worth $10 mil with his house location
Internet-worthy Sadistic New Version
  08/09/26
Less, lol. I went ALL IN on owning a house in the location ...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
Including your housing equity your net worth is well above 1...
Internet-worthy Sadistic New Version
  08/09/26
sounds like an awesome house and especially given you surf a...
Stimulating station internal respiration
  08/09/26
Ty, man. I just paid for the house outright after a case ca...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
My parents did the same thing around your age. Bought the be...
soul-stirring plaza
  08/10/26
!
Stimulating station internal respiration
  08/10/26
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Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/10/26
i think people must be underrating how expensive is (1) divo...
Stimulating station internal respiration
  08/09/26
Lol. If only I'd cut her off and listened to the posters in...
vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner
  08/09/26
180 hindsight 20/20
soul-stirring plaza
  08/10/26
...
Stimulating station internal respiration
  08/10/26
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Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night
  08/10/26


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Date: August 9th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: soul-stirring plaza



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055318)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 1:48 PM
Author: Big locus

Wtf? Epah? Is this true?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055322)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:28 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

I have a little over 1/2 that much :-(

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056121)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:32 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056129)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:37 PM
Author: Cream Parlor

How much is your house worth

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056752)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:48 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

I guess around $4.5 by now actually. So my "net worth" must be higher, now that I think about it, esp if I take account of the Clear Eyes and OnlyFans cases. But still way lower than $10.

I've been talking to architects about rebuilding (this is an old basic house, but on 1/2 acre on Diamond Head).

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056772)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:08 AM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

You disappoint me

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056783)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 1:51 PM
Author: drab concupiscible tattoo lay

He barely works

He funds his ex wife’s lifestyle, including her drug habit

He bought two houses in Hawaii and gave one to her

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055324)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 2:37 PM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

Why hasn't he bought me a house in Diamond Head? Will suk dik for real estate.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055421)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:25 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night

Okay, I lol’d

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056118)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 2:04 PM
Author: mustard faggot firefighter

i'd guess he has a bit more than that.

but whatever, even if he has say $8m so what? if he keeps working for another 10 years and doesn't touch the principal he'll likely have like $20m.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055351)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 2:36 PM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

He just dropped a ton of coin on his transsons top surgery. Doesn't seem cheap to fully troon your kids.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055419)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 2:37 PM
Author: mustard faggot firefighter

cutting his kids' peckers off was important to EPAH, and i'm glad he's been able to afford that.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055425)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 3:59 PM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

And they say money doesn't bring happiness

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50055593)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:25 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056117)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:29 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

That was covered by “insurance” to be fair. Plus travel and lodging so it could be performed by the Top Surgeon.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056125)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:32 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night

One weird trick.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056127)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:36 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

Not flame the insurer tried to back out after Drumpf’s EO against child mutilation so I filed an arbitration against them based on a Hawai’i law that requires equal treatment of trans people. Arbitrator took about 90 minutes to order them to cover it. Spirit of Aloha! 🌈 🏳️‍⚧️

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056142)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:38 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night

Poast-moniker synergy for the ages 🤙

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056148)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:40 PM
Author: mustard faggot firefighter

did you have any misgivings about this? how does a child really know at that age that they "are" the other sex? what if they're wrong? i was wrong about just about everything when i was young.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056153)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:42 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

This was at the age of 16. Were you uncertain about your gender at that age? Are you still?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056159)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:43 PM
Author: mustard faggot firefighter

yes and yes

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056162)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:48 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

Your being sarcastic

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056641)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 9:06 PM
Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)

I'm 41 and still have moments of doubt about my gender identity when I'm getting railed up the ass from anonymous men

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056367)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:29 PM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

This can be really confusing to a gentleman of your age

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056603)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:37 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

I can connect you with RESOURCES if you’re genuinely interested

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056617)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:41 PM
Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)

I have plenty of anonymous musclestuds in the hopper but I'll let you know if I start to run low

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056624)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:32 PM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

It's crazy because if his daughter were born 10 years earlier or if she lived in the majority of places in the country that aren't blue bubbles even today it would not have been an option even on the table. For millions of years of our ape evolution it never crossed the minds of anyone to do this until 5 minutes ago but now we have a SWeet social experiment going on by far left people in wealthy enclaves. If you have the misfortune of being born into this reality, snip snip! I guess the Ottoman Empire had eunuchs so it could have happened then too.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056607)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:46 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

This viewpoint is retarded my friend. There have always been trannies. I guess you might say that it's better for "human flourishing" to make these people present as "confirmed bachelors" like Lindsey or "strong family men" like Byron Noem. But to my mind, that preference would be the domain of <100 IQ people.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056636)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:50 PM
Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)

Telling that you're conflating gender identity with suppressed sexual orientation, moreso that you're doing it in an implicitly pejorative way

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056650)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:55 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

Reading comp, bro? It's a genuine question of whether it's preferable to have happy trans children or unhappy closeted gay children.

It's pretty clear that lots of idiots would prefer to have unhappy children who nevertheless reflect well on themselves.

Maybe that's you, maybe it's not.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056662)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:57 PM
Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)

I think the RC fail is on your end bro. Or are you doubling down on gender identity and sexual orientation being the same thing?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056675)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:00 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

I genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Can you identify the *words in my post that "conflate" these?

Let's try this a different way:

Me: "Would you prefer your kids be a mailman or a lawyer?"

You: "Oh so you're saying a mailman and a lawyer are the same thing????"

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056682)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:12 PM
Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)

Essentially. You're conflating being trans with being gay. And you're doing it pejorarively, mocking them with quotes around "strong family men."

You're framing being closeted gay (or trans, which you conflate) as a negative. If you had real sympathy for these people you'd have compassion, but since they oppose you politically your true feelings come out. No different than how "antiracist" libs call Thomas and Sowell Uncle Toms.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056699)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:36 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

I grew up in a series of VERY rural towns in the American West. By the time I was around 13, it was apparent to me that I was smarter than my parents, my classmates, my teachers. Even at college I was smarter than the people around me, and as smart as the best professors.

And then I went to SLS, and it came as a bit of a shock to me that there were people my same age who were just purely smarter than me.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056751)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:50 PM
Author: gunneratttt (gunneratttt)

Yet you, a very high IQ middle aged man, conflates gender identity and sexual orientation.

Perhaps it's not absurd it's questionable a 16 year old of ordinary intelligence is certain they're a different gender, not just gay or confused. At least to the extent they shouldn't have irrevocable surgery.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056773)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

Mfcr

My gay trans friend wants to get snipped. He's like 24 or something. Everyone in his life including parents telling him not to. But what can you do it's an adult. At least he got to go through puberty and got to decide what to do an adult however misguided.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056799)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:10 AM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

My friend is a closeted gay man who wants to be a woman. No right answers. It's a tough situation but I really hope he doesn't go on hormones and snip his nuts off. There's little I can do but keep the dialog open.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056788)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 9:01 PM
Author: fluffy fiercely-loyal striped hyena

Is that not UPL?

###

This has been a message from United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/robert-kennedy.html



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056362)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:46 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

What's "UPL"?

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056638)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:20 PM
Author: fluffy fiercely-loyal striped hyena

Unlicensed Practice of Law. It is an interesting question of whether one needs a law license in the state that arbitration is pending to rep a client in that jxd or if that does not matter bc arbi is a creature of contract and not real court. Idk, but I am going to ask HHS attorneys to look into this along w/ microplastics.

###

This has been a message from United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/leadership/robert-kennedy.html



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056722)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:37 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

Microplastics and their consequences have been a disaster for mankind.

This was "pro se" since I'm the insured.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056753)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 9:03 PM
Author: green really tough guy space



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056363)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:30 PM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

Lmao Hawaii judge ftl

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056604)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 6:55 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50058975)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 7:44 PM
Author: lascivious state scourge upon the earth

he's pretty young

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056167)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:16 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night

“Early 40s” (49)

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056570)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:47 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

"Age" is Flame and I'll never become "older" than 47

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056639)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:54 AM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night

180

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056828)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 6:55 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night

Forever 47 is not a hobby it is a lifestyle 🐾

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50058985)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 7:04 PM
Author: mustard faggot firefighter

i am 47 not flame

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50059026)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:50 PM
Author: cerebral sexy son of senegal

im not sure how tf im as rich as him

also i feel poor af no way i could afford hawaii

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056648)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:51 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

I came here before TRUMPFLATION and I live cheaply.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056652)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 10:58 PM
Author: Internet-worthy Sadistic New Version

No way he’s not worth $10 mil with his house location

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056680)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:02 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

Less, lol. I went ALL IN on owning a house in the location where I want to live out my days.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056685)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:03 PM
Author: Internet-worthy Sadistic New Version

Including your housing equity your net worth is well above 10 my friend

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056689)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:10 PM
Author: Stimulating station internal respiration

sounds like an awesome house and especially given you surf all the time and use it, i'm jelly that you just went all in on the house even if it's overextended you a bit. betting on yourself etc

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056694)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:43 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

Ty, man. I just paid for the house outright after a case came in, and after reading a bunch of Reddit posts saying that owning a house free and clear is the best "unemployment insurance."

If I had higher risk tolerance I would have taken an 80% mortgage and doubled my NW by just buying S&P. But it's still been fine.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056765)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:12 AM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

My parents did the same thing around your age. Bought the beautiful retirement home and missed out on gains. We'll never know how rich they would have become had they not gotten so NEEDY about their golden years.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056791)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 6:49 PM
Author: Stimulating station internal respiration

!

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50058952)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 6:54 PM
Author: Canary Public Bath Queen Of The Night



(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50058974)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:10 PM
Author: Stimulating station internal respiration

i think people must be underrating how expensive is (1) divorce and (2) specifically his ex-wife

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056695)



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Date: August 9th, 2026 11:39 PM
Author: vermilion marvelous orchestra pit partner

Lol. If only I'd cut her off and listened to the posters in 2021 who were like, "this graphics card company is going to be a good play."

Her life would likely be the same, but mine would be way different.

(https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5890984&forum_id=2#50056758)



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Date: August 10th, 2026 12:09 AM
Author: soul-stirring plaza

180 hindsight 20/20

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